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1997-05-07 22:15Re: (idm) Fair Use
1997-05-07 22:25Peter Becker (idm) Fair Use
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1997-05-08 01:18quasar Re: (idm) Fair Use
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1997-05-07 22:15phlux@ix.netcom.comI think its time to kill this thread, the autechre radio one, and the one about bad mail t
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I think its time to kill this thread, the autechre radio one, and the one about bad mail transactions..... Its all starting to get annoying. ROB **********LOGIQ'S NEW CD**************** BIG ON MARS 11 Tracks of Electronic Bliss http://www.sinless.com/logiq ****************************************
1997-05-07 22:25Peter BeckerFor even more info on this fairly threaded subject ( copywright) check the the very well d
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For even more info on this fairly threaded subject ( copywright) check the the very well done book concerning the subject of the Negativland/U2/ Casey Kasem scandal of 1992 (93?) The book is exhaustively compiled and is a great laugh to boot. The pros and cons, the lawyers, the artists, the greed, the stupidity, all that stuff that makes music (even IDM) so fun. and is there a way that all the Warp bashers out there can now *stop* praising Warp in *other* posts? It seems funny that *so* many idm'ers who are complaining about unfair business practices and add 2 cents as to why the label is deficient are also *often * the same folks who love the output of the label. shut up. bash bash bash, love love love. Make up your minds, folks. I remember when I used to collect Throbbing Gristle. They had a very loose attitude about bootlegs where they simply requested that if a bootleg were to be made of a live show or an interview, that each member of the group get 4 copies. HOWEVER, they were known to get realy involved when someone were to counterfeit a release, so much that an old story cited Genesis ( TG band leader, not the rock group ) as actually *tracking* down the scum that would make illegitamite copies of the group's catalog and kicking some tail. But that's all hearsay. Point being...as a fan, I remember TG stating not to buy any copies of their LPs that were not on their label or "approved" bootleg labels. So I did'nt. I respected the fact that artists should get paid for their work and that assholes should'nt. Please lets not get on whether TG were assholes....that's another irrelevant (yet interesting ) story. Now, I realize that the original thread was about burning copies for free distribution is a whole other point is quite different from my TG parallel. However, I think those people that have a level head should be able to figure out boundaries of legal/monetary ethics for themselves. I admit to a burn copy of something for my own personal use. A friend had a burner. This friend had a bunch of OBSCENELY RARE 12"s that I'd never ever see again. I burned 5 CDs of all of this material. This was for my own personal use and I can assure you will never be duplicated, for anyone. No, I won't even tell you what the material is. Again, its simply for personal use. 1,000 free copies of Thriller? Its quite easy to find in any Good Will, Salvation army or thrift shop from Burbank to Bangor. I'll spend my 1.00 on the vinyl copy. I wonder what Marylyn Manson would think..... bpm0@interport.net Peter Becker, Promotions: Retail, DJ Pool Asphodel Records, NYC PO Box 51, Chelsea Station, NY NY 10113 Phone # (212) 965-0265 FAX # (212) 965-0959 http://www.asphodel.com
1997-05-07 21:39Brett McCormickWhat, we can't have it both ways? I don't *love* warp, nor do I hate warp. Their artists p
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Wed, 7 May 1997 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
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What, we can't have it both ways? I don't *love* warp, nor do I hate warp. Their artists put out some fine music. I haven't dealt with them enough to get a sense of the label itself, but I'm getting a weird impression. I think people can offer both constructive criticism & praise.. On Wed, 7 May 1997, at 17:25:36, Peter Becker wrote:
quoted 60 lines and is there a way that all the Warp bashers out there can now *stop*> and is there a way that all the Warp bashers out there can now *stop* > praising Warp in *other* posts? It seems funny that *so* many idm'ers > who are complaining about unfair business practices and add 2 cents as > to why the label is deficient are also *often * the same folks who love the > output of the label. shut up. > > bash bash bash, love love love. Make up your minds, folks. > > I remember when I used to collect Throbbing Gristle. They had a very loose > attitude about bootlegs where they simply requested that if a bootleg were > to be made > of a live show or an interview, that each member of the group get 4 copies. > HOWEVER, they were known to get realy involved when someone were to > counterfeit > a release, so much that an old story cited Genesis ( TG band leader, not > the rock group ) > as actually *tracking* down the scum that would make illegitamite copies of > the group's catalog > and kicking some tail. > But that's all hearsay. Point being...as a fan, I remember TG stating not > to buy any copies > of their LPs that were not on their label or "approved" bootleg labels. So > I did'nt. I respected > the fact that artists should get paid for their work and that assholes > should'nt. Please lets not > get on whether TG were assholes....that's another irrelevant (yet > interesting ) story. > Now, I realize that the original thread was about burning copies for free > distribution > is a whole other point is quite different from my TG parallel. However, I > think those people > that have a level head should be able to figure out boundaries of > legal/monetary ethics for themselves. > > I admit to a burn copy of something for my own personal use. A friend had > a burner. > This friend had a bunch of OBSCENELY RARE 12"s that I'd never ever see again. > I burned 5 CDs of all of this material. This was for my own personal use > and I can assure > you will never be duplicated, for anyone. No, I won't even tell you what > the material is. > Again, its simply for personal use. > > 1,000 free copies of Thriller? Its quite easy to find in any Good Will, > Salvation army or > thrift shop from Burbank to Bangor. I'll spend my 1.00 on the vinyl copy. > > I wonder what Marylyn Manson would think..... > > bpm0@interport.net > Peter Becker, Promotions: Retail, DJ Pool > > Asphodel Records, NYC > PO Box 51, Chelsea Station, NY NY 10113 > Phone # (212) 965-0265 > FAX # (212) 965-0959 > http://www.asphodel.com > > >
1997-05-08 01:18quasar>For even more info on this fairly threaded subject ( copywright) >check the the very well
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Wed, 7 May 1997 20:18:31 -0500 (CDT)
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quoted 6 lines For even more info on this fairly threaded subject ( copywright)>For even more info on this fairly threaded subject ( copywright) >check the the very well done book concerning the subject of >the Negativland/U2/ Casey Kasem scandal of 1992 (93?) >The book is exhaustively compiled and is a great laugh to boot. >The pros and cons, the lawyers, the artists, the greed, the stupidity, >all that stuff that makes music (even IDM) so fun.
also, has anywone checked out the movie, "sonic outlaws" which starts out explaining the negativland/u2 thing and then interviews other bands like ebn who manipulate the media for their music. it's really good and informative. you can order it thru: http://204.156.144.138/~ake/cgi/reel/base/Studios/Baldwin/Movies/SonicOutlaw s/ or it you don't want t spend the $30 bucks, e-mail me and i could just copy it for you...(no pun? intended)
1997-05-08 02:04bpm0@interport.netin response to: brett@speedt.speakeasy.org : >What, we can't have it both ways? I don't *l
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Wed, 7 May 1997 22:04:00 -0400 (EDT)
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quoted 5 lines What, we can't have it both ways? I don't *love* warp, nor do I hate>What, we can't have it both ways? I don't *love* warp, nor do I hate >warp. Their artists put out some fine music. I haven't dealt with >them enough to get a sense of the label itself, but I'm getting a >weird impression. I think people can offer both constructive >criticism & praise..
I also think people can have constructive criticism & praise for anything that they are involved in or admire , especially something like a record label. There have been so many labels that I have admired across many genres/styles. Some of them, incidental to this conversation, are idm and relative subgenres. I have a very love/hate relationship with many labels. I can recall on so many occasions thinking of a label: "yeech, why did they put out *that* record?" or why are they lying about *that* release date?" or "why did they do *that*?" But I also think that there have been occasions on this list ( I am not referring to anything *you* have specifically posted) when it seems fans of a label, such as Warp are maniacal with enthusiasm and support until something is a little screwed up or imperfect. At that point, they want to burn their praised label at the stake. Chill out, people! so, yes. We can have it both ways. bpm0@interport.net, Peter Becker Retail Sales manager, DJ Pool, Asphodel records, NYC Phone: (212) 965-0265 FAX: (212) 965-0959 http://www.asphodel.com