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I think this was someone else who remixed Paid In Full and put in all the cool extended stuff (the original song is like a minute long) that EricB&Rakim hated. Unless Coldcut's been around (and remixing) for ten years. Is that possible? -CF

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> -----Original Message----- > From: idm-owner@hyperreal.com [SMTP:idm-owner@hyperreal.com] On Behalf > Of Joe Rice > Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 1:23 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.com > Subject: Re: (idm) 4-LP 'Hip Hop Don't Stop' > > At 1:55 AM -0800 3/21/97, Damon.Fairclough@psygnosis.co.uk wrote: > > > > >(And much as I remember it with great fondness, I seem to recall that > Eric > >B and > >Rakim hated that Coldcut mix of 'Paid In Full' cos it made 'em come > across > >like > >"a pair of dancing clowns".) > > > >Damon. > > I've heard that as well - and Coldcut subsequently released an > instrumental > version entitled "Not Paid Enough." > > Joe > > > (:Joe > Rice:____________:ambient@netcom.com:___________:joe@psychoactive.com:

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> (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" > :) > (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" > :) > (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen > :) > (: anything like it!" > :) > >

At 11:26 AM -0800 3/21/97, Chris Fahey wrote:

quoted 6 lines I think this was someone else who remixed Paid In Full and put in all

>I think this was someone else who remixed Paid In Full and put in all >the cool extended stuff (the original song is like a minute long) that >EricB&Rakim hated. Unless Coldcut's been around (and remixing) for ten >years. Is that possible? > >-CF

They've been around longer than that. Their first album came in 1987 or '88 I think and they had a couple 12"s before that. They were pioneers of the sample cut/up house scene that immediately preceded and combined with acid house. Same two guys who are Coldcut now. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:ambient@netcom.com:___________:joe@psychoactive.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :)

At 14:36 -0500 21.03.97, you wrote:

quoted 13 lines At 11:26 AM -0800 3/21/97, Chris Fahey wrote:

>At 11:26 AM -0800 3/21/97, Chris Fahey wrote: >>I think this was someone else who remixed Paid In Full and put in all >>the cool extended stuff (the original song is like a minute long) that >>EricB&Rakim hated. Unless Coldcut's been around (and remixing) for ten >>years. Is that possible? >> >>-CF > >They've been around longer than that. Their first album came in 1987 or '88 >I think and they had a couple 12"s before that. They were pioneers of the >sample cut/up house scene that immediately preceded and combined with acid >house. Same two guys who are Coldcut now. >

Right on. Coldcut's early material is all good fun also. They/it basically launched Lisa Stansfield's career with the typically house "People Hold On" and the atypically (for Lisa) rapful "My Telephone", which uses a phone bell sample to brilliant effect. Also infamous for the Jetsons' sample in the reggae-toasting "Stop this Crazy Thing". I'm partial to the jazzier side of Coldcut, from "Philosophy" into the Ninja catalogue. Trippy jazz for moody bohemians. If I recall, it was also Coldcut who introduced Ofra Haza to the Western audience via the sample on "Not Paid Enough", which MARRS (aka A.R. Kane and the Colourbox gents, one of whom recently passed away, last work being a brutal remix of a Wolfgang Press track) also even more mercilessly and merrily mangled into the mutation of "Pump Up the Volume". If nothing else, one must appreciate Coldcut's sense of humour, always subversive in a likable way. That's all Ancient Sampling Prehistory, no? 3

Wow. They're pretty hip for old fellers. ;) -CF

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> -----Original Message----- > From: idm-owner@hyperreal.com [SMTP:idm-owner@hyperreal.com] On Behalf > Of Joe Rice > Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 2:37 PM > To: Chris Fahey > Cc: 'IDM' > Subject: RE: (idm) Eric B and Rakim vs. Coldcut > > At 11:26 AM -0800 3/21/97, Chris Fahey wrote: > >I think this was someone else who remixed Paid In Full and put in all > >the cool extended stuff (the original song is like a minute long) > that > >EricB&Rakim hated. Unless Coldcut's been around (and remixing) for > ten > >years. Is that possible? > > > >-CF > > They've been around longer than that. Their first album came in 1987 > or '88 > I think and they had a couple 12"s before that. They were pioneers of > the > sample cut/up house scene that immediately preceded and combined with > acid > house. Same two guys who are Coldcut now. > > Joe > > > (:Joe > Rice:____________:ambient@netcom.com:___________:joe@psychoactive.com: > ) > (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" > :) > (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" > :) > (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen > :) > (: anything like it!" > :) > >

quoted 3 lines Wow. They're pretty hip for old fellers. ;)

> Wow. They're pretty hip for old fellers. ;) > > -CF

Nah, Its time for them to make way for the new blood :) kF

They (Coldcut) were pioneers of the

quoted 4 lines sample cut/up house scene that immediately preceded and combined with acid

>sample cut/up house scene that immediately preceded and combined with acid >house. Same two guys who are Coldcut now. > >Joe

Does anyone know of a compilation with all those early British sample-tracks (M/A/R/R/S, Bomb The Bass, Coldcut...). If not, maybe it would be a good idea to put one out ;-) Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it and is still available? btw - just got a new CD by Etienne de Crecy (that Motorbass guy) called "Super Discount". If you like your Mike Inks and Daft Punks this will be definetly a must have. Heiko

On Sat, 22 Mar 1997, Heiko Hoffmann wrote:

quoted 2 lines Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it and is

> Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it and is > still available?

I just picked up the Planet Rock 12" a week ago for $5. (it's got a 96 or 97 mix on it, so I guess they've re-released it). khannan suntharam kxs28972@bayou.uh.edu

quoted 3 lines Does anyone know of a compilation with all those early British

>Does anyone know of a compilation with all those early British >sample-tracks (M/A/R/R/S, Bomb The Bass, Coldcut...). If not, maybe it >would be a good idea to put one out ;-)

It's not exactly what you're looking for, but... Various 54.25 No Rights Given or Implied - The Original Samplers Bond St (UK) BS 001 5.22 Double Dee & Steinski: Lesson One (The Payoff Mix) 4.22 Double Dee & Steinski: Lesson Two (The James Brown Mix) 4.49 Double Dee & Steinski: Lesson Three (The History of HipHop) 3.59 Steinski & Mass Media: The Motorcade Sped On 5.03 Steinski & Mass Media: It's Up to You (Television Mix) 4.51 Fusion Beats 8.22 Big Apple Productions: Genius at Work 6.51 TD: Feelin' James 4.48 Coldcut: Say Kids (What Time Is It?) 5.58 Coldcut: Beats & Pieces It seems a bit dodgy to me - seems to show up in record stores every three years or so (the most recent time being a couple of months ago, so you may still be able to find a copy). Don't know much about the featured artists other than Coldcut (but I seem to recall that Steinski may have collaborated with Tackhead once), but overall it's good if you're interested in this kind of thing. C. -- C.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.com) "He was mesmerized by the light-pictures, and the music sent him right into dreamland"

quoted 6 lines It seems a bit dodgy to me - seems to show up in record stores every

>It seems a bit dodgy to me - seems to show up in record stores every >three years or so (the most recent time being a couple of months ago, >so you may still be able to find a copy). Don't know much about the >featured artists other than Coldcut (but I seem to recall that Steinski >may have collaborated with Tackhead once), but overall it's good if >you're interested in this kind of thing.

As I remember it Double D. & Steinski were Coldcut's big heroes. They tried to emulate them with their early work. correct me if I'm wrong, Allert -- "No corporation will ever pay a creator enough to sue them succesfully" -Dave Sim, creator of Cerebus Allert Aalders - Big Time Concepts - allert@knoware.nl - KoX

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Allert Aalders wrote:

quoted 4 lines As I remember it Double D. & Steinski were Coldcut's big heroes. They tried

> As I remember it Double D. & Steinski were Coldcut's big heroes. They tried > to emulate them with their early work. > > correct me if I'm wrong,

I've read that too but it was so long ago I can't remember where.

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> -- > "No corporation will ever pay a creator enough to sue them succesfully" > -Dave Sim, creator of Cerebus

Yep - Dave knows his shit. Che

bleep ... transmat ... wrote:

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> Heiko wrote > >> Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it and is >> still available? > > Rhino has a CD out called Electric Funk Part 1 which has Planet Rock on it.

Well, I don't see "Rhino" on here anywhere, but I found these two gems on Priority (released last year): Electro Funk Volume One Priority Records P2 53114 Released 1996 1. Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force - "Planet Rock" 2. World Class Wreckin' Cru - "Juice" 3. Trinere - "I Know You Love Me" 4. Pretty Tony - "Jam The Box" 5. Freestyle - "The Party Has Just Begun" 6. Cli-N-Tel - "2030" 7. Planet Patrol - "Play At Your Own Risk" 8. Uncle Jam's Army - "Dial-A-Freak" 9. Orbit - "The Beat Goes On" 10. Twilight 22 - "Electric Kingdom" 11. Egyptian Lover - "Girls" 12. D.J. Matrix - "Feel My Bass" 13. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - "Scorpio" Electro Funk Volume Two Priority Records P2 53115 Released 1996 1. Cybotron - "Clear" 2. Divine Sounds - "What People Do For Money" 3. Grandmaster Melle Mel & The Furious Five - "Message II (Survival)" 4. Jamie Jupiter - "Computer Power" 5. Debbie Deb - "When I Hear Music" 6. Pretty Tony - "Fix It In the Mix" 7. Reggie Griffin & Technofunk - "Mirda Rock" 8. World Class Wreckin' Cru - "Surgery" 9. Nairobi and The Awesome Foresome - "Funky Soul Makossa" 10. Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force - "Looking For The Perfect Beat" 11. Egyptian Lover - "Egypt Egypt" Some classic jams on these ... and I think I got 'em for like US $9.99 each ... And the fold-out insert has complete info on the original sources including liner notes. Not too shabby ... Oh yeah ... and what was the ultra-cool rekkid store I scored 'em at? K-Mart. - Greg

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quoted 1 line Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it

>Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it

and is

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>still available? > >

i know the cd single with remixes from lfo, 808 state, and some others is still in print but i don't have the exact info on it yet, but i know it's still in print, and actually i found a copy at a tower records not too long ago... -kiya

In a message dated 22/03/97 18:25:37, you write:

quoted 2 lines Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it

> >Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it > and is still available?

quoted 1 line i know the cd single with remixes from lfo, 808 state, and some others

> i know the cd single with remixes from lfo, 808 state, and some others

Some others? You've a cheek calling Karl Bartos 'some other', his remix is the greatest dance track of this decade! Cheerio! What's On The Sound Burger? M42 - Paul W Teebrooke

Humanerr0r@aol.com wrote:

quoted 6 lines In a message dated 22/03/97 18:25:37, you write:

> > In a message dated 22/03/97 18:25:37, you write: > > > >Plus, does anyone know of a record/CD which has "Planet Rock" on it > > and is still available? >

tommy boy has re-released planet rock 12" a while ago. I know you can get it about anywhere. b.

quoted 2 lines i know the cd single with remixes from lfo, 808 state, and some others

> i know the cd single with remixes from lfo, 808 state, and some others > is still in print but i don't have the exact info on it yet . . .

2x12": 1992 US (Tommy Boy; TBEP 1052) CD5: 1992 US (Tommy Boy; TBCD 1052) CD5: 1992 GE (Tommy Boy/EastWest; 4509-90176-2) 6:22 Planet Rock (original vocal version) 1:06 Planet Rock (bonus beats) 9:16 Planet Rock (classic mix) 5:04 Planet Rock (in the pocket mix) 5:48 Planet Rock (house mix ii) 8:15 Planet Rock (bass in the planet mix) 4:39 Planet Rock (planet rock 2000 mix) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists