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1997-03-18 21:10Chris Fahey RE: (idm) Spice Girls
1997-03-18 21:42Gonzi (Fresh) Re: (idm) Spice Girls
└─ 1997-03-18 21:49A New January Orbital (was: Re: (idm) Spice Girls)
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1997-03-18 21:10Chris FaheyWhere's the beef? Just do it. Two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles on
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Chris Fahey
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'IDM'
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Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:10:41 -0500
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RE: (idm) Spice Girls
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Where's the beef? Just do it. Two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun. Be like mike. Where do you want to go today? Buuhd....Wiiise....Er. Etc... Besides "Stupid is as stupid does" and "Show me the money", where does film have this effect? Popular films, with rare exceptions, do not sink into the culture's collective mind *at all* any more. Gump was an exception, but why is it that ID4 is all but forgotten now? One of the top grossing films of all time, but who can recite a single line from it? The loudest guy in the theater probably doesn't even remember anything. Most movies make a big splash in the theatres, then they are gone. Poof! I see lots of movies which entertain me but are soon fade out of my mind (ID4). I also see lots of movies which are snoozers throughout, but which I never forget (Solaris). I'll bet all the big time movie directors of the early 21st century will be ex-MTV video and TV commercial directors. David Fincher's already there. -Chris Fahey (Never saw Forrest Gump. Love pop culture. Won't sink that low, though.)
quoted 47 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: idm-owner@hyperreal.com [SMTP:idm-owner@hyperreal.com] On Behalf > Of Gonzi (Fresh) > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 3:56 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.com > Subject: Re: (idm) Spice Girls > > > Few movies come close to being creative, and *definately* not the > three > > you mention (I'm surprised a film stufdent would hold up any of > those > > three movies as examples of "significant" or "complex", but I > suppose > > you picked popular but still kinda arty films to put in comparison > to > > Cheerios). > > The reason I picked those three films is because the issues they > raised > opened a public dialouge, not because they were the best films. Hardly > anyone sees Greenaway films so they don't really have much of an > impact > on society. > > I think you're all being much too paranoid with this commercial thing. > Popular films invade the culture and become part of our conciousness > on > a level that NO commercial can match. Take for example a film like > Forrest Gump. It's discussed by people on the street, amongst friends, > in offices. It's catch phrases are instantly recognizable. It is a > best > selling book. It had a number one soundtrack. It is on the cover of > magazines, discussed in newspaper editorial columns, its joked about > by > talk show hosts and on variety shows on TV. What 30 second TV > commercial > can match that level of public recognition and awareness? NONE. And > utimately, its impact on society is a thousand times more significant > than any advert. And Forrest Gump is one of many. > > > even TV shows like > > NYPD blue which form the cinematic foundation for Woody Allen's last > > non-musical and for countless other movies. > > Errr...not so sure about that one. > > -Gonzi.
1997-03-18 21:42Gonzi (Fresh)> Popular films, with rare exceptions, do not sink into the culture's > collective mind *a
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Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:42:51 -0800
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Re: (idm) Spice Girls
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quoted 3 lines Popular films, with rare exceptions, do not sink into the culture's> Popular films, with rare exceptions, do not sink into the culture's > collective mind *at all* any more. Gump was an exception, but why is it > that ID4 is all but forgotten now?
This is getting farther and farther from IDM content so lets such say I respectfuly disagree and think that film still has a greater influence on our collective culture than commercials.
quoted 3 lines The Spirit is a cool old Will Eisner character. Maybe Orbital knew this> The Spirit is a cool old Will Eisner character. Maybe Orbital knew this > and wanted to take the opportunity. Maybe Orbital can make a bad movie > cool by having good music in it.
Why is everyone so quick to jump to Orbital's defense? Listen to the song first and then tell me what you think. IT IS fucking horrible. If they want to do a musical soundtrack to a decent film, that's another thing. But contributing A song to a a big hollywood action film soundtrack that is obviously trying to cash in big on the next big thing is selling themselves out, plain and simple. -Gonzi.
1997-03-18 21:49A New JanuaryOn Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Gonzi (Fresh) wrote: > Why is everyone so quick to jump to Orbital's
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A New January
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that whacked-out electronic schtuff
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Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:49:59 -0600 (CST)
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Orbital (was: Re: (idm) Spice Girls)
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Re: (idm) Spice Girls
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On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Gonzi (Fresh) wrote:
quoted 6 lines Why is everyone so quick to jump to Orbital's defense? Listen to the> Why is everyone so quick to jump to Orbital's defense? Listen to the > song first and then tell me what you think. IT IS fucking horrible. If > they want to do a musical soundtrack to a decent film, that's another > thing. But contributing A song to a a big hollywood action film > soundtrack that is obviously trying to cash in big on the next big thing > is selling themselves out, plain and simple.
it's obvious that you don't care for orbital...and that's fine. but to say that they have sold out because they have contributed a song to a soundtrack is absurd. i think you have an elite-ism issue that you need to resolve with yourself. peace... prymal ======== Prymal primal@interaccess.com http://www.interaccess.com/primal/ ======== add some spice to your christ...necco wafers!