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1997-03-11 17:12Chris Fahey (idm) POP Music
└─ 1997-03-11 18:17random junk RE: (idm) POP Music
1997-03-11 17:53mister carnauba wax Re: (idm) POP Music
1997-03-12 06:18Chris Sattinger Re: (idm) POP Music
└─ 1997-03-12 14:00The Rare Guy Re: (idm) POP Music
├─ 1997-03-12 22:16Mikko Karvonen Re: (idm) POP Music
└─ 1997-03-25 13:35Che Re: (idm) POP Music
1997-03-13 01:17Matt Re: (idm) POP Music
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1997-03-11 17:12Chris FaheyI heard Discotheque last night and I realized that, although it is not IDM, or even DM, it
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Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:12:02 -0500
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I heard Discotheque last night and I realized that, although it is not IDM, or even DM, it is definately electronic music. I'll bet the drum track is a loop. I'll bet a lot of the guitar track is repeated samples. It actually doesn't sound that much different from some Chemical Brothers tracks. Although there are still "blokes with guitars" involved, it's still mostly synthesized/electronic music. In fact, with very few exceptions almost anything you hear on the radio/mtv is mostly electronic music. When you hear mariah carey sing, painful as it is, you are actually hearing a woman's singing voice which has been recorded a thousand times, sampled into a computer, chopped up into little bits in a digital editor, cut-n-pasted, tweaked, stretched, pitched, etc. to make what I would call crap. But the process of making the record is almost EXCLUSIVELY electronic. There was a time in the early 80's when electronic funk/disco bands had no problem using electronic equipment to make their voices sound better, more on key. Many of them thought they were getting away with it while others used the technology to create new, more purely electronic effects. In light of the technology available to mariah at sony, those early 80's stuff sounds cheap and obviously faked. 808's and 303's and vocorders and synthesizers were all invented to make cheesy rawk and pop music, for wedding bands and stuff - they were soon used by twisted disco and eventually idm types to do other things. All pop music is fake! Only IDM dares to admit it! -CF
1997-03-11 18:17random junkOn 11-Mar-97 Chris Fahey wrote: >When you hear mariah carey sing, painful as it is, you ar
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On 11-Mar-97 Chris Fahey wrote:
quoted 6 lines When you hear mariah carey sing, painful as it is, you are actually>When you hear mariah carey sing, painful as it is, you are actually >hearing a woman's singing voice which has been recorded a thousand >times, sampled into a computer, chopped up into little bits in a digital >editor, cut-n-pasted, tweaked, stretched, pitched, etc. to make what I >would call crap. But the process of making the record is almost >EXCLUSIVELY electronic.
in fact, most pop music (even the kind with guitars) uses more electronics and computer horsepower than all the aphex & orbital albums put together. just the act of creating a vocal track for any of today's top 40 hits involves hours of messing with files on a hard disk, and a battery of multi-thousand dollar effects boxes. each word, nay, SYLLABLE is meticulously chosen from gigs of data, run through some effects and then cut 'n pasted into a digital editing program. if you think i'm lying, you haven't read MIX magazine lately... (not mixmag. mix. check it out, it's a real eye-opener.) Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- System Administrator SpotMedia Communications
1997-03-11 17:53mister carnauba wax>I heard Discotheque last night and I realized that, although it is not >IDM, or even DM,
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quoted 6 lines I heard Discotheque last night and I realized that, although it is not>I heard Discotheque last night and I realized that, although it is not >IDM, or even DM, it is definately electronic music. I'll bet the drum >track is a loop. I'll bet a lot of the guitar track is repeated samples. >It actually doesn't sound that much different from some Chemical >Brothers tracks. >
someone had told me that the brothers had produced this track. is that actually true? i know at least one of the mixes on the single sound *totally* like them. alan! __ :::::/\ \:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::/ \ \::::::you make the mistake::::::::::: :::/ /\ \ \:::::you judge a man by his race:::: ::/ / /\ \ \::::you go through life:::::::::::: :/ / /__\_\ \:::with egg on your face:::::::::: / / /________\::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: \/___________/::::::::::-beastie boys::::::::::
1997-03-12 06:18Chris Sattinger>I heard Discotheque.... I'll bet the drum >track is a loop. Actually they even bragged th
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Wed, 12 Mar 97 00:18:59 -0600
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quoted 2 lines I heard Discotheque.... I'll bet the drum>I heard Discotheque.... I'll bet the drum >track is a loop.
Actually they even bragged that it was real drums. So they obviously don't get it :)
quoted 2 lines In fact, with very few exceptions almost anything you hear on the>In fact, with very few exceptions almost anything you hear on the >radio/mtv is mostly electronic music.
Exactly ! R&B is the ultimate electronic form, the press have quite missed the point that its not the machines that make our music what it is, its the brains.
quoted 7 lines When you hear mariah carey sing, painful as it is, you are actually> >When you hear mariah carey sing, painful as it is, you are actually >hearing a woman's singing voice which has been recorded a thousand >times, sampled into a computer, chopped up into little bits in a digital >editor, cut-n-pasted, tweaked, stretched, pitched, etc. to make what I >would call crap. But the process of making the record is almost >EXCLUSIVELY electronic.
Actually I happen to have read an interview with Mariah Carey's producer. AKG 414, tracked to 8 separate tracks and then comped together (best bits and syllables and words) onto one final track. I have heard the original vocal tracks (before pitch correction) from one major label female artists and it was beyond hideous. The Jayhawks (American records) spent three days tracking drums, editing multiple takes and loops together to get the perfect drum track. Eventually they hired a session drummer to replace the poor guy (I thought bands like that were about camarerie and emotion ?). Synthetics at its finest.
quoted 3 lines 808's and 303's and vocorders and synthesizers were all invented to make>808's and 303's and vocorders and synthesizers were all invented to make >cheesy rawk and pop music, for wedding bands and stuff - they were soon >used by twisted disco and eventually idm types to do other things.
Yeah, our section of the electronics world has a lot to do with not following the manufacturers instructions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Sattinger new records : Headspace / Synewave/ Subvoice NEW RELEASES - DISCOGRAPHY - INFO http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/ChrisSattinger.html US Techno House Business Resource : http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/DanceLabel.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1997-03-12 14:00The Rare GuyOn 12-Mar-97, Chris Sattinger scribbled something about Re: (idm) POP Music: >>808's and 3
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On 12-Mar-97, Chris Sattinger scribbled something about Re: (idm) POP Music:
quoted 3 lines 808's and 303's and vocorders and synthesizers were all invented to make>>808's and 303's and vocorders and synthesizers were all invented to make >>cheesy rawk and pop music, for wedding bands and stuff - they were soon >>used by twisted disco and eventually idm types to do other things.
quoted 2 lines Yeah, our section of the electronics world has a lot to do with not>Yeah, our section of the electronics world has a lot to do with not >following the manufacturers instructions.
I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or even wedding music!? :))) just a thought.. :) -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= Do re mi fa so la ti .. Oh let's see if we can make it easier..
1997-03-12 22:16Mikko KarvonenOn 12-Mar-97, The Rare Guy wrote: >On 12-Mar-97, Chris Sattinger scribbled something about
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On 12-Mar-97, The Rare Guy wrote:
quoted 1 line On 12-Mar-97, Chris Sattinger scribbled something about Re: (idm) POP Music:>On 12-Mar-97, Chris Sattinger scribbled something about Re: (idm) POP Music:
quoted 3 lines 808's and 303's and vocorders and synthesizers were all invented to make>>>808's and 303's and vocorders and synthesizers were all invented to make >>>cheesy rawk and pop music, for wedding bands and stuff - they were soon >>>used by twisted disco and eventually idm types to do other things.
quoted 2 lines Yeah, our section of the electronics world has a lot to do with not>>Yeah, our section of the electronics world has a lot to do with not >>following the manufacturers instructions.
quoted 2 lines I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or>I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or >even wedding music!? :))) just a thought.. :)
As far as I know, 303 was a bass sequencer MEANT to be used by rock bands etc. but since it sounded so shitty no one really bothered to use it until some technoheads invented the ideal way of using it. -- .Mikko
1997-03-25 13:35CheOn Wed, 12 Mar 1997, The Rare Guy wrote: > I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 woul
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On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, The Rare Guy wrote:
quoted 2 lines I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or> I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or > even wedding music!? :))) just a thought.. :)
Just listen to old Haircut 100. Pretty poppy with occasional 303 bass. A buddy of mine has a 303 that he bought from a dude using it and a 606 to play Greek folk music at weddings. Yes, it can be and has been done. Che
1997-03-13 01:17Matt<snip> > I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or > ev
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quoted 2 lines I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or> I would like to know how the hell a tb-303 would be used for rock or pop? or > even wedding music!? :))) just a thought.. :)
If I'm mistaken, I believe that the 303 was intended to be an efficient way of acheiving bassline accompanyment for stage performances and good ole' rock/pop. MIDI and whatnot. Filters (aka-effects) and sweeps were initially intended to be "used" to provide color to the accompanyment, not "abused" to provide a unique sound. -- *************************************** If you call this communication, you affirm it; If you do not call this communication, you deny it; Beyond affimation and denial, what is it?