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All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we need to consider them IDM??? If that be the case, shit we might as well talk about Madonna. Most of her songs are dancey, if they are intelligent in anyway is another story. can we end this, and all other potential threads about POP bands that have nothing to do with this list? ***********************U2 is not IDM************************************ U2's album is called POP, hello, that's exactly what U2 is and what their music is, POP music. This is sooooooo evident I can't understand how/why U2 is even mentioned at all on this list. If this was a German Language list, would we want someone to start posting in Swahili (sic?)? No.U2 have absolutely nothing to contribute to the discussion on this list. Shit the music on DROP BASS is more relevant to this list and we don't talk about it. We may not have a strict definition for IDM is, but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock! ***********************U2 is ROCK N ROLL!*****************************

I gotta second this thought 1000%...

quoted 4 lines All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we need to

>All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we need to >consider them IDM??? If that be the case, shit we might as well talk about >Madonna. Most of her songs are dancey, if they are intelligent in anyway is >another story.

This kind of thing pisses me off big time about a lot of people I know. All of a sudden grungoid rawknroll is no longer quite as trendy as it was, the masses are on a dance tip, E is the shit (*hahaha*), and wanker pop star muso's are cashing in on it. Friends of mine believe the wanker poppy music coming out is the new edge. Bollocks! I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!! & I don't care who remixed/produced the dancey version). The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to lose their street appeal. I mean can I trust HowieB again after doing work on POP. Likewise what about Eno????? But now the other problem is. How far do we go... U2 is one thing, but what about bands like Underworld. I still have a bit of a hard time liking them because they will always be a POP band (does anyone remember "Underneath the Radar") in my eyes, it smelt to me the first time I heard dubnobasswithmyheadman that Underworld had hijacked a genre started by people like Orbital and made a POP album out of it. Even the Shamen made POP music in the 80's.

quoted 1 line but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock!

>but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock!

And must be our resounding athem.... IDM is not ROCK!!!! chillos Kontrolman

On 09-Mar-97 Matthew D. Smith wrote:

quoted 2 lines I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!!

>I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!! >& I don't care who remixed/produced the dancey version).

i do. who did that remix anyway? i love it.

quoted 3 lines The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to

>The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to >lose their street appeal. I mean can I trust Howie B again after doing work on >POP. Likewise what about Eno?????

you sir, are a fool. howie b sucked long before he went into the studio with U2. conversely, eno is still awesome, and his work with U2 was pretty damn good. i have no particular love for orbital, but how many people on this list decided to boycott them after they remixed madonna? not too many i bet, given by the amount of mindless drooling appreciation that "in sides" (a huge steaming turd of an album) got. meat beat manifesto have remixed some pretty dodgy people (the shamen?) but they always manage to turn crap into gold. to sum it up, in the words of rakim "it ain't where you're from, it's where you're at!"

quoted 5 lines U2 is one thing, but what about bands like Underworld. I still have a bit of a

>U2 is one thing, but what about bands like Underworld. I still have a bit of a >hard time liking them because they will always be a POP band (does anyone >remember "Underneath the Radar") in my eyes, it smelt to me the first time I >heard dubnobasswithmyheadman that Underworld had hijacked a genre started by >people like Orbital and made a POP album out of it.

so what? it was a damned fine album. they took the best of both worlds (dance & pop) and created a very heady brew.

quoted 1 line Even the Shamen made POP music in the 80's.

>Even the Shamen made POP music in the 80's.

and most of it was much better than their largely pathetic dance stuff. i would listen to "in gorbachev we trust" again. i will not listen to "boss drum" again.

quoted 3 lines but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock!

>>but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock! > >And must be our resounding athem.... IDM is not ROCK!!!!

i think our motto should be "it ain't where you're from, it's where you're at." on now: tranquility bass - let the freak flag fly (rock, salsa, samples, folk music, drum loops, guitar, synths, god knows what else... a strange psychedelic stew of influences.) Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- System Administrator SpotMedia Communications

At 02:12 PM 3/9/97 -0000, you wrote:

quoted 1 line This kind of thing pisses me off big time about a lot of people I know. All

>This kind of thing pisses me off big time about a lot of people I know. All

of >a sudden grungoid rawknroll is no longer quite as trendy as it was, the masses >are on a dance tip, E is the shit (*hahaha*), and wanker pop star muso's are >cashing in on it. Friends of mine believe the wanker poppy music coming out is >the new edge. Bollocks! But you must remember, there's a monied majority out there, all of whom have these issues, rendering them incapable of digestion-appreciation-CONSUMATION of music for music's sake. In a Calvinist, anti-esoteric posture thesxe poor souls cannot be luresd away from that which has stated meaning, or at least direct vocal association to another not myself. Silence+harmonics defeats word virus: only work here, me.

quoted 1 line I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!!

>I mean cases like U2, Tori Amos (Professional Widow - makes me wanna puke!!

& I don't care who remixed/produced the dancey version).

quoted 1 line The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to

>The problem is when POP wankers & the MAN hijack kif producers they tend to

lose their street appeal. I mean can I trust HowieB again after doing work on POP. Likewise what about Eno?????

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Everybody likes money, I suppose you'd have a point if you said bagging groceries has a more positive effect upon an artist's output than producing rock albums---methinks milkman is a product of the former, or at least one of those "trippy" visits to the supermarket.

quoted 3 lines But now the other problem is. How far do we go...

>But now the other problem is. How far do we go... > >U2 is one thing, but what about bands like Underworld. I still have a bit

of a hard time liking them because they will always be a POP band (does anyone remember "Underneath the Radar") in my eyes, it smelt to me the first time I heard dubnobasswithmyheadman that Underworld had hijacked a genre started by people like Orbital and made a POP album out of it. Even the Shamen made POP music in the 80's. Underworld admits they were unhappy with themselves in their first incarnation, but then they hooked up with a DJ...oooh...now we get pop star self indulgence over mediocre white-boy trance. n a w h' m a' c u p p u' t a e

quoted 4 lines but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock!

> >>but there is one thing we all know IDM is not: rock! > >And must be our resounding athem.... IDM is not ROCK!!!!

yer anthem sound like a rock song

At 13:34 10-3-97 CST, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines On Sun, 09 Mar 1997 02:52:00 +0000,

>On Sun, 09 Mar 1997 02:52:00 +0000, >gmv500 <gmv500@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we

need to

quoted 8 lines consider them IDM??? If that be the case, shit we might as well talk about

>>consider them IDM??? If that be the case, shit we might as well talk about >>Madonna. Most of her songs are dancey, if they are intelligent in anyway is >>another story. > >Erm, William Orbit (definitely IDM material) remixed 'Justify My Love' and >'Erotica' and Orbital (ditto) remixed 'Bedtime Stories', soooo: > >Madonna = IDM

I play 'Justify my love' on a regular base.. It's cool!

quoted 1 line PS What about Beck?

>PS What about Beck?

Beck is cool (too) .................... http://wwwedu.cs.utwente.nl/~wielen/forcefield/ ¤ forcefield ¤ ..............................................

On Sun, 09 Mar 1997 02:52:00 +0000, gmv500 <gmv500@earthlink.net> wrote:

quoted 4 lines All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we need to

>All the sudden a band has a dance feel to the their tunes and now we need to >consider them IDM??? If that be the case, shit we might as well talk about >Madonna. Most of her songs are dancey, if they are intelligent in anyway is >another story.

Erm, William Orbit (definitely IDM material) remixed 'Justify My Love' and 'Erotica' and Orbital (ditto) remixed 'Bedtime Stories', soooo: Madonna = IDM ROTFL! Otto "The Devil's Advocate" Koppius PS What about Beck?