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On Tuesday's (12/31) morning show, Bryant Gumbel and his cohorts were talking to "experts" about trends for '97 from fasion to music. Anyhow, after about a 15 second glimpse at a Prodigy video (Firestarter, I think), the editor of Spin magazine put forth his future visions basically saying that "Electronica" was going to replace Grunge (however you spell it) with its growing popularity... (this interpretation may be misguided; I was laughing pretty hard). Does anyone know how fast "Electronica" is growing, or believe it can ever be so listener-friendly to become more than nominally mainstream? Dub Chemist on another Tip, David, D-REAL

David Seruyange wrote;

quoted 2 lines future visions basically saying that "Electronica" was going to replace

>future visions basically saying that "Electronica" was going to replace >Grunge (however you spell it) with its growing popularity...

replace grunge?!?! Didn't grunge die out a few years ago?!?!? I don't think 'so-called' mainstream America is ready for "Electronica". America is STILL just too damm closed minded. My friends have no interest in IDM, but hell my friends that's a whole another story. On another weird note, Rolling Bones magazine listed FSOL's Dead Cities as one of their top albums of the year! Jeff "My Soul's an Oasis, Higher than the Sun" - Primal Scream's Higher than the Sun

...electronica?

quoted 4 lines David Seruyange wrote;

>David Seruyange wrote; >>future visions basically saying that "Electronica" was going to replace >>Grunge (however you spell it) with its growing popularity... >

How was "electronica" defined? If some form of electronigrunge were theorized as the NextBig(No)Thing, it's a plausible scenario. The resulting bombast will probably be as musically, artistically, and aesthetically valuable as most grunge, and will probably embody the same stylistic interchangability among "artists". The notable exception is the Autechre University of Found Sound. If, on the other hand, someone is suddenly predicting that Nambient (Namlookesque ambient) will suddenly hit the U.S. Top 40, it's quite doubtful. As for more danceable idm (an oxymoron?), anything is possible. 3

David Seruyange wrote::

quoted 2 lines future visions basically saying that "Electronica" was going to replace

>future visions basically saying that "Electronica" was going to replace >Grunge (however you spell it) with its growing popularity...

It was a misprint - I think "electronica" was supposed to be "Republica"... The day a top-40 station plays some real idm is the day Krzysztof eats his vinyl. I think most people would have to be weaned onto it real 'slow-like' so as not to upset them...maybe wean them onto some house first, then start dosing them with the more esoteric stuff. ;) ::k. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Chris Escarcega That which does not kill me only serves chrix@wic.net to make me sleep 'til 3:30 the next - voodoo snake loa afternoon. - licensed prophet

In a message dated 97-01-02 00:50:46 EST, you write:

quoted 3 lines Does anyone know how fast "Electronica" is growing, or believe it can

> Does anyone know how fast "Electronica" is growing, or believe it can > ever be so listener-friendly to become more than nominally mainstream? >

Well let's look at it this way. Some groups and performers will become generally accepted by the mainstream audience Prodigy, Chemical Brothers (Sad but true) seem like they are headed this way. For example, Nine Inch Nails. I have on more than one occasion mentioned other bands that predated NIN in the industrial genre to some apparently hard core NIN fans. "What'z this Front 242? The sound like a ripoff of NIN. Uhhh they like suck or sumpthin'. Huh uh huh huh huh" MAYBE they will have heard of Ministry, or even possibly Nitzer Ebb. I am no real autority on Industrial (or music in general :) ), but I present it merely as an example. I think the same will be true of this latest "trend". Just a thought, Eric

quoted 4 lines "What'z this Front 242? The sound like a ripoff of NIN. ..."

> >"What'z this Front 242? The sound like a ripoff of NIN. ..." >I think the same will be true of this latest "trend". >

Right on. Didn't Ace of Base invent Bhangra? How about that Brian Uno guy ripping of Yanni, the inventor of ambient! I heard some pygmies chanting the other day, and I'm surprised Deep Forest didn't sue them. On another list which will remain unnamed and Really Should Know Better, the discussion rages on about the BeeGees being the first to use a rhythm loop. Didn't some damn monks go and copy Enigma? Oh, wait, that really happened. 3 P.S. Is Bryant Gumball human? He looks more androidic than a Kraftwerk video. By the way, didn't Kraftwerk rip off the melody of some rap song? What about the Smiths stealing that guitar rhythm from "No Hippychicks"?

On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:

quoted 4 lines On another list which will remain unnamed and Really Should Know Better,

> > On another list which will remain unnamed and Really Should Know Better, > the discussion rages on about the BeeGees being the first to use a rhythm > loop.

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Where did anyone get the idea that "electronica" was synonymous with IDM. Surely American radio isn't going to start spinning arhythmic stuff like squarepusher et al, but theres a lot of "rave" type stuff that would play well. Americans loved Stock, Aiken and Waterman and even early coldcut offshoots like Yaz and Lisa Stansfield, so maybe this is just another round of boogie fever. Mark Edward Bowen Warmed Breakdown mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu

Mark Bowen wrote:

quoted 3 lines Surely American radio isn't going to start spinning arhythmic

> Surely American radio isn't going to start spinning arhythmic > stuff like squarepusher et al, but theres a lot of "rave" type > stuff that would play well.

...and already has! Tune your radio into the local pop station and you're bound to hear rave-style tunes all over the radio. In fact, for the past two years, it seems like this generic synth stuff has plastered the airwaves (alongside of grunge). What I'm hearing these days, however, are more IDM-ish *elements* creeping into the music. That's not to say that IDM will overtake masses, but that more creative sounds and rhythms are slowly filtering into the pop mainstream. Tim

Tim Zeigler wrote:

quoted 17 lines Mark Bowen wrote:

> > Mark Bowen wrote: > > > Surely American radio isn't going to start spinning arhythmic > > stuff like squarepusher et al, but theres a lot of "rave" type > > stuff that would play well. > > ...and already has! Tune your radio into the local pop station and > you're bound to hear rave-style tunes all over the radio. In fact, > for the past two years, it seems like this generic synth stuff has > plastered the airwaves (alongside of grunge). What I'm hearing > these days, however, are more IDM-ish *elements* creeping into the > music. That's not to say that IDM will overtake masses, but that > more creative sounds and rhythms are slowly filtering into the pop > mainstream. > > Tim

I can't see the arhythmic stuff being played a lot either but I see a lot more of the IDM-elements creeping in as well. BUT I don't hear them on the radio....I see them on Much Music (in a very limited way). The Chris Shepard-style tunes have always been represented on top 40 radio, crap clubs, wedding socials, etc. The problem will be distancing IDM from cheesy "dance" tunes and presenting electronic music as a _legitimate_ form of music. Dave

At 11:51 PM 1/3/97 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 17 lines Mark Bowen wrote:

>Mark Bowen wrote: > >> Surely American radio isn't going to start spinning arhythmic >> stuff like squarepusher et al, but theres a lot of "rave" type >> stuff that would play well. > >...and already has! Tune your radio into the local pop station and >you're bound to hear rave-style tunes all over the radio. In fact, >for the past two years, it seems like this generic synth stuff has >plastered the airwaves (alongside of grunge). What I'm hearing >these days, however, are more IDM-ish *elements* creeping into the >music. That's not to say that IDM will overtake masses, but that >more creative sounds and rhythms are slowly filtering into the pop >mainstream. > >Tim >

I tuned into modern rock live (I think it's a national radio show) the other night and they played an orbital tune followed by the chemical brothers. Seeing as how this was played on the alternative rock station around here and modern rock live usually plays alterno-rock-stuff, I'd have to agree with you. IDM certainly looks to be up and coming in the mainstream. Kelsey np: Spacetime Continuum, Pod (the 4 quarters mix)