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1996-09-16 21:22Gonzi Merchan (Fresh)This is from the October 3 issue of Rolling Stone. In the review of LTJ Bukem's Logical Pr

From:: Gonzi Merchan (Fresh) <fresh@linkonline.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:22:26 -0700
Subject:: (idm) You ain't gonna believe this one...

This is from the October 3 issue of Rolling Stone. In the review of LTJ Bukem's Logical Progression: "Drum and Bass is still in its infancy, ripe with the excitement that comes with a still undergruond phenomeneon. But to hear the future of break beat, check out the work of PLUG, SQUAREPUSHER, and Alex Reece. In comparison, Logical Progression is a still life." Squarepusher and Plug in Rolling Stone...can a cover be far behind? Oh, and there's a profile on Underworld in it too. Amused, //"'' //''resh Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA

1996-09-17 21:58Michel BattagliaOn Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Gonzi Merchan (Fresh) wrote: mr fresh breaks the news: > break beat,

From:: Michel Battaglia <mikebee@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
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Date:: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:58:32 -0400 (EDT)
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Gonzi Merchan (Fresh) wrote: mr fresh breaks the news:

quoted 5 lines break beat, check out the work of PLUG, SQUAREPUSHER, and Alex Reece. In

> break beat, check out the work of PLUG, SQUAREPUSHER, and Alex Reece. In > comparison, Logical Progression is a still life." > > Squarepusher and Plug in Rolling Stone...can a cover be far behind? Oh, > and there's a profile on Underworld in it too.

hey, cool on tommy and luke getting a mention in Payola Weekly, but alex reece? the future of breakbeat? i just don't see it. no offense to alex. really. ;) mikebee

1996-09-16 22:01Dave Walker:Squarepusher and Plug in Rolling Stone...can a cover be far behind? Oh, :and there's a pr

From:: Dave Walker <marmoset@mich.com>
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Date:: 16 Sep 96 18:01:13 -0400
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:Squarepusher and Plug in Rolling Stone...can a cover be far behind? Oh, :and there's a profile on Underworld in it too. Odd that no one's mentioned the current Spin, with Rage Against The Breadmachine And Its Infernal Muffins on the cover. There's a series of stories (nearly 10 pages), under the banner _Drums and Wires_. They seem quite concerned about what it will take to make electronica mainstream in the Yoo Ess Ayyy. They vote for glitzy stage shows and vocals, of course... Yr. money's probably better spent on the latest Urb with Juan Atkins on the cover, though. ---------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, network support specialist detroit art services <marmoset@mich.com> ---------------------------------------------------------- on now: Burial Mix 01

1996-09-16 23:05Aaron MichelsonOn 16 Sep 1996, Dave Walker wrote: > :Squarepusher and Plug in Rolling Stone...can a cover

From:: Aaron Michelson <amichel@io.org>
To:: Dave Walker <marmoset@mich.com>
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Date:: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:05:44 -0400 (EDT)
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On 16 Sep 1996, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 2 lines :Squarepusher and Plug in Rolling Stone...can a cover be far behind? Oh,

> :Squarepusher and Plug in Rolling Stone...can a cover be far behind? Oh, > :and there's a profile on Underworld in it too.

Which issue? I just got the one with that annoying american talk show host on the cover, and I don't recall any squarepusher/plug coverage. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash *UPDATED* http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

1996-09-17 04:08Paul RafanelloThere's a full length article on Skinny Puppy in the new issue of Goldmine, with mentions

From:: Paul Rafanello <intone@warwick.net (Running Free)>
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Date:: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:08:29 -0400
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There's a full length article on Skinny Puppy in the new issue of Goldmine, with mentions on Download, Doubting Thomas, W.E.L.T., and other side projects. I never thought I would see it. Paul Rafanello intone@warwick.net

1996-09-17 22:30James B GillOn Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Paul Rafanello wrote: > There's a full length article on Skinny Puppy

From:: James B Gill <jgill@U.Arizona.EDU>
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Date:: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:30:57 -0700 (MST)
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Paul Rafanello wrote:

quoted 7 lines There's a full length article on Skinny Puppy in the new issue of

> There's a full length article on Skinny Puppy in the new issue of > Goldmine, with mentions on Download, Doubting Thomas, W.E.L.T., and other > side projects. I never thought I would see it. > > Paul Rafanello > intone@warwick.net >

why not? Skinny puppy isn't the epitome of "uncharted". Their story has been told countless times, even before the last album came out. I fail to see the uniqueness of such an article.

1996-09-17 05:48Gonzi Merchan (Fresh)> Odd that no one's mentioned the current Spin, with > Rage Against The Breadmachine And I

From:: Gonzi Merchan (Fresh) <fresh@linkonline.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:48:03 -0700
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quoted 4 lines Odd that no one's mentioned the current Spin, with

> Odd that no one's mentioned the current Spin, with > Rage Against The Breadmachine And Its Infernal Muffins > on the cover. There's a series of stories (nearly 10 pages), under > the banner _Drums and Wires_.

Just had a look at this in Tower, damn you're right. There's little paragraph profiles of Photek, Squarepusher, and a massive review of Organic. Damn what's going on this month? Also, in the new Pulse magazine (the freebie at Tower) there's an interesting article on independent electronic music labels and it mentions reflective, warp, rephlex, and all. //"'' //''resh Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA

1996-09-17 07:54Sugatis & Co>profiles of Photek, Squarepusher, >article on >independent electronic music labels and it

From:: Sugatis & Co <sugatis@inreach.com>
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Date:: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:54:02 -0700
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quoted 4 lines profiles of Photek, Squarepusher,

>profiles of Photek, Squarepusher, >article on >independent electronic music labels and it mentions reflective, warp, >rephlex, and all.

Why does this matter? If our music gets mass exposure in the U.S. it is not likely to change anything except the number of subscribers to this list. I hear it's all pop over in Europe anyway. I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now THAT'S experimental electronic music for you. I'm serious. I like my music. I do not need to know that other's like it too in order to feel good about myself.

1996-09-17 09:18Gonzi Merchan (Fresh)> Why does this matter? If our music gets mass exposure in the U.S. it is not > likely to

From:: Gonzi Merchan (Fresh) <fresh@linkonline.net>
To:: Sugatis & Co <sugatis@inreach.com>
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Date:: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:18:02 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) You ain't gonna believe this one...

quoted 3 lines Why does this matter? If our music gets mass exposure in the U.S. it is not

> Why does this matter? If our music gets mass exposure in the U.S. it is not > likely to change anything except the number of subscribers to this list. I > hear it's all pop over in Europe anyway.

It doesn't matter at all really. I just find it interesting and amusing that IDM is starting to get a tiny trickle of mainstream press at the moment. Please lets not start another huge thread about this debating the merits of keeping music underground and....never mind, I don't even want to give anyone any ideas :) ! I just pointed it out so people who are interested in reading these articles could have a look for themselves. BTW, many thanks to Arjun for translating the Bochum Welt interview. A true IDM warrior. //"'' //''resh Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA

1996-09-20 05:54John BusHi, >I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now >THAT'S expe

From:: John Bus <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:54:17 +1000
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Hi,

quoted 2 lines I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now

>I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now >THAT'S experimental electronic music for you. I'm serious.

What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases... it's nothing new. How about the Lidia Husk (sp?) and Beaumont Hannat collaborations? He's just bring the music inline with the pop asthetic... what will be interesting is how it will be received, and basically that depends on his music (no worries :) and his singing voice (only time will tell :).

quoted 2 lines I like my music. I do not need to know that other's like it too in order to

>I like my music. I do not need to know that other's like it too in order to >feel good about myself.

Here... here... EXACTLY! Regards, John

1996-09-20 17:44khannan suntharamOn Fri, 20 Sep 1996, John Bus wrote: > >I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ reall

From:: khannan suntharam <kxs28972@Bayou.UH.EDU>
To:: John Bus <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:44:37 -0500 (CDT)
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, John Bus wrote:

quoted 3 lines I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now

> >I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now > >THAT'S experimental electronic music for you. I'm serious. > What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases... it's

What? I thought RDJ was the first person to combine singing and music...In fact, didn't he invent music? ;) khannan suntharam kxs28972@bayou.uh.edu

1996-09-21 18:47Mark KolmarIt all started out with the human voice and it will always find its way back. A few artist

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
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Date:: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:47:35 -0500 (CDT)
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It all started out with the human voice and it will always find its way back. A few artists are ahead of the trend here -- too many to list. You might want to look into the last 2 Underworld albums, for example. A lot of discussion has been about their remixes, but I think the albums are the core of their material. Or if you want to take a step way outside the IDM arena, how about John Cage/David Tudor _Indeterminacy_ from 1959? --Mark __ http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome "The fact their parents have separated doesn't disturb the children. They go on looking at television. How old should they be before they smoke marijuana? No one seems to know." -- John Cage

quoted 4 lines On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, John Bus wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, John Bus wrote: > > >I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now > > >THAT'S experimental electronic music for you. I'm serious. > > What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases... it's

1996-09-21 19:29Aaron MichelsonOn Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Mark Kolmar wrote: > I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ rea

From:: Aaron Michelson <amichel@io.org>
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Date:: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:29:05 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 3 lines I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now

> I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now > THAT'S experimental electronic music for you. I'm serious. > What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases... it's

I received my copy of the Boy/Girl single yesterday, and I felt necessary to clear up a few things about this vocal thing. While Richard has certainly taken a flying leap in the drum'n bass genre by adding 60's slacker lyrics (the comparison to Syd Barrett is dead on) his writing process is still the same. There are three lyrics to the boy/girl song: "I wish the milkman would deliver my milk in the morning" "I wish the milkman would deliver my milk when I'm yawning" "I would like some milk from the milkmans wife's tits". He's quite obviously sampled these three sentences, and then encorporates them into a rather clonky drum'n bass rhythm (polygon window meets squarepusher). Towards the end of the track, he gradually processes the lyrics until they're practically indecipherable. Mind you, by then yer sick of it anyways. It's cute...but not exactly your standard top of the pops success story. In the meantime, I guess Richard won the bet. :) Richard also sings on "beatles under my carpet." Something like "Bee-tles...uuunder my caarpet, under my feeet. They come out in the heat." Review forthcoming... onnow: The Tear Garden "To Be an Angel Blind, The Crippled Soul Divide" Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash *UPDATED* http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

1996-09-21 19:53Andrew J. SolomonActually, I'm not sure but I think "Aria with Fontana Mix" was earlier than Cage's "Indete

From:: Andrew J. Solomon <ajsolomon@wesleyan.edu>
To:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@xnet.com>
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Date:: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: (idm) Cage and Tudor, Wolf, Feldman, Brown etc etc...
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Actually, I'm not sure but I think "Aria with Fontana Mix" was earlier than Cage's "Indeterminacy" piece(s) :) so this might be the "1st", and obviously, Aria is w/voice. If you like Cage and Tudor, you should get your hands on a performance of "Toneburst" by Tudor(+ the "score"), I just saw it last week, its incredible. take care and e On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 24 lines It all started out with the human voice and it will always find its way

> It all started out with the human voice and it will always find its way > back. A few artists are ahead of the trend here -- too many to list. > > You might want to look into the last 2 Underworld albums, for example. A > lot of discussion has been about their remixes, but I think the albums are > the core of their material. > > Or if you want to take a step way outside the IDM arena, how about John > Cage/David Tudor _Indeterminacy_ from 1959? > > --Mark > __ > http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > > "The fact their parents have separated doesn't disturb the children. They > go on looking at television. How old should they be before they smoke > marijuana? No one seems to know." -- John Cage > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, John Bus wrote: > > > >I cannot wait for the new Aphex album if RDJ really sings pop songs. Now > > > >THAT'S experimental electronic music for you. I'm serious. > > > What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases... it's > >

1996-09-20 06:38sugatis@inreach.com> What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases... > it's nothing new. I

From:: <sugatis@inreach.com>
To:: John Bus <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
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Date:: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:38:54 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) You ain't gonna believe this one...

quoted 2 lines What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases...

> What!? Kraftwerk were singing on the majority of their releases... > it's nothing new.

I know that, it's just that it is about the last thing one would expect an artist with the past output of AFX, working in this particular type of a modern Rephlex-techno medium, et cetera, to do. It seems that RDJ is pushing yet another frontier, "bastardising his sound", if you will, to pop music. On one hand, it is his own frontier he is pushing, not frontiers in general. The music I am certain will sound like nothing else that has been done before, true, but it will moreso sound like something one would never expect AFX to do. That is to say he is not doing something that has never been done before by anyone else, since as you say Kraftwerk did it years ago, but he is creating something new by doing such a thing in a new way. Such was the case with his Selected Ambient Works 2 record. It was basically a Brian Eno record, but it was a Brian Eno record that only AFX could have made, and on top of this it was the last thing anyone would have expected AFX to ever make. It did push boundaries, it was something that had never been done before, and yet it wasn't. It was original and unoriginal simultaneously, but at the very least it was completely unexpected. This is why I like AFX in the first place, of course. I can't wait to hear this new record of his.... I am sure that, if anything, it will be... wierd. Have a wonderful evening everyone. Happy listening. If you haven't already, listen to the samples of the new Bochum Welt album on hyperreal. It is very well done.

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