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1996-06-25 02:24Pete Ashdown (idm) Organic '96 review
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1996-06-25 02:24Pete AshdownThe last time I had gone to Los Angeles specificially for a concert/rave was to see The Sh
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The last time I had gone to Los Angeles specificially for a concert/rave was to see The Shamen and Moby perform at the Spruce Goose in January of 1992. A lot of h2o had passed under the proverbial archway since that time. My friend John and I had built up the rave scene in Salt Lake City from nothing, then left to pursue other interests, like the all consuming vocation of running an Internet Service Provider. Yet, with a lineup like Organic '96 was touting, who could resist? It was no wonder to see cars from Virginia and Illinois in the parking lot. Nothing on this scale had been attempted before in the states. So, over four years since I had driven to Los Angeles to jump start my own rave juices, and nearly three years since the incredible NASA tour stopped in San Francisco, John and I once again rented a car to drive the all night drive. Orbital has always been a favorite for me. For those of you who haven't been keeping score, I managed to book them in less than a week on their first tour with Meat Beat Manifesto and Ultramarine, then lost a considerable amount of money on a town without a clue. Yet it was worth the price. Orbital later stated that that single stop, although quickly scheduled, was their favorite from their first tour. In spite of all promoter attempts to keep them out of Salt Lake City since, they have continually expressed a desire to return. It did happen again, the promoter calls, I put in a bid, only to find out that San Francisco had moved their date over ours. The last time the agent felt that Moby was worth far more than I desired to pay. In just about every instance, the band's wishes come last when booking a tour is involved. The agent was, however, conciliatory in the fact that she did offer to get me passes to the show. Whether this actually happened or not was moot, since the list never arrived at the show. I was happy to pay the price to get in, but pissed off that I had to stand around waiting for an hour to find out that it had fallen through. In case you've never seen whining in action, hang around a "will call" line in Los Angeles for an hour. I did meet up with a couple of the "regulars." Lazlo Nibble had managed to scrape his butt out of Albuquerque to get there, and of course Mr. and Mrs. Greg Earle were in fine form. I was also pleased to finally meet the legendary Paul Moore, editor-in-chief of the rag we all knew and loved, Technology Works, as well as the guilty party behind nm-list. Aside from the obvious dust problems with the area, the setup looked good. I was happy to see that there weren't so many people there that you could get in a good position to see the stage and not feel like a rehash of the Star Wars "garbage compactor" scene. Looking over the schedule for Organic, it made me wonder what idiot had their hand in this mess. The bands were supposed to play from a measly one hour to two, then they were going to "rebroadcast" performances from tape?!? What kind of balogna is that? Not to mention the liberal sprinkling of DJs who all wanted their 15 minutes, who in fact, nobody but the most Vicks smeared kiddies had come to listen to. Thankfully, the bands wouldn't have any of it, and they played enormous sets with no minding of the schedule. Everything was back to back, save for the moving around of equipment, which took around 30 minutes on the average. I missed Electric Skychurch, so no review there. Instead, I came in about 20 minutes before one of the Chemical Brothers wandered around the audience being swamped by fans, and 10 minutes before Loop Guru took the stage. Seeing the size of the band, six people, intrigued me with what exactly was going to take place. The beat kicked in, and yes, it was good, but what in the hell were they doing? It was questionable as to whether any of the numerous drumsets were miked at all, and if they were, did anyone bother to level them near what the beatbox was at? Why was the lead dragging around a guitar, Bono-like, with no sound coming out? I was really looking forward to a smattering of ethnic instruments, but instead what we got was a puppet show to a crushing beat. The one thing I could hear was the female lead attempting to strangle herself on the microphone. She didn't exactly exude confidence in her abilities, and ended up shrieking like a scared cat most of the time. Loop Guru was an enormous disappointment. Meat Beat Manifesto arrived and kicked bootie with their normal level of confidence. The band was minus Johnnie, but had an additional keyboardist and guitarist. What the guitarist was doing with the saxophone remains a mystery, but the sound was still good. Jack once again, orchestrated everything from his enormous road box on an angle. It was surprising to hear them roll of so many of the older tracks, "Helter Skelter", "Radio Babylon" and a couple others, but only a few from the new album. "Asbestos Lead Asbestos" was not performed. The video behind them was above par rave-style stuff, but still had plenty of visuals directed towards Meat Beat. I managed to catch Paul Hartnoll watching the show during Meat Beat. He did lament that this tour was too short and mentioned the possibility of a second leg in the fall, either of Europe again, or the states. The next band, Underworld, was introduced with a large hullaballoo. I'll never figure out why people have forgiven them for their incredibly bad Fruer days, or even the early leather years of Underworld. "They're solid techno now though," I suppose the cry would come, even if they have a mostly useless singer flailing around the stage. Underworld opened with "Rez" and continue to pound out their (recent) hits. It sounded and looked great, but the intensive, determined knob twiddling of the two guys behind the music (Darren and who?) bothered me. There is only so much working of a mixing board that I can stand before the question is asked, "What the hell are they really doing?" The video made up for a lot of this. Someone obviously had a lot of time or patience to work in all that lettering. Last, comic relief was provided in the end when this woman in a dancers dress arrived on the stage to give us her expressions of the music. It hurt to laugh so hard. The Chemical Brothers arrived and promptly kicked everyone's ass. They weren't there to entertain us with 303 mutations, there were just there to drop incredibly funky crushing drum beats with the subtlety of a Panzer tank. This was the best set yet. Their attitude oozed from the stage while their stage hands picked females from the audience to gyrate to their workings. Dance music with rock n' roll aspirations. Their visuals were equally subtle. Cops beating up on crowds, large ground canons, bombs, war, death, and further indications, that yes, The Chemicals were here to kick our ass. They only band of the night to get an encore, yet they didn't care. They returned to the stage, regarded their audience with disdain and continued to kick further ass. After an ultralame intro from a KROQ DJ, Orbital took the stage in darkness. In the anonymity of darkness, they remained, with the customary tecnicians glasses shining through. Paul had added a pen laser to his to good effect. The Intellibeams fixed on either the round or the square gobo to project tunnel-like color in a constant mode. They had also added two silver projectors which shot the Orbital "loops" logo out on both sides. This was all unimportant to the centerpiece, the video, the loops, and the slides. Words can not describe what the visuals did with the audio. It was in essence like watching a fascinating, ever changing jewel. I felt the fear of blinking in case of missing something. Without a doubt, this was the best visuals I had ever seen at any concert. They should immediately package it on laser disc and release it to the public, works like that should not be canned never to be seen again. What was even more amazing about the visuals is that there wasn't a computer generated frame in site. How someone could make a salad slicer into such a work of beauty is beyond me, but it happened. Back that up with Orbital's music and it freezes you into a state of gaping awe. The set was hardly danceable, and it was so above that. Royal Albert Hall indeed, Orbital deserves to play in better places than dusty arenas and smoke-filled clubs. With this tour, they have ascended into a different kind of artistry. After an hour of breaking down Orbital's stage, The Orb came forth. I must admit that I was hesitant to see them, the last time being before "Live '93" came out. Then they were still considered more in the "Adventures" phaze of things and not so much the "Orbus Tyrannus" form. I had in fact skipped seeing them on "Orbus Tyrannus" because of my disappointment with the album. It never clicked for me. Orb's stage looked startling similar to their 1991 tour. Sheets over tables, side-by-side and no backing band. Then the use of slide projectors and simple Intellibeam gobos harkened back as well. The most surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He has frequently expressed his boredom with touring, up to the point of stating that he was going to stick to the studio side of things, but there he was. Alex and Thrash played a lot of new stuff, or at least unrecognizeable stuff. According to man-on-the-scene, Lazlo, a lot of what was played is due on the next album, which is a relief. It is a return to a more beat-laden form. Three or four of the tracks were downright fluffy. There was a rather cool remix of "Spanish Castles in Space" and a bit of "Star 6,7,8,9" plus a baffling cut from KLF's "Chill Out." However, by 6:00 AM in the morning, John and I were both tired, cold, tired and cold. All I could think about was "I drove 700 miles, and I'm going to stay" rather than "Orb! Orb! Orb!" So we eventually gave up. When we drove out of the parking lot, they were still playing. A lot of what was played was more than just ambient noodling, but rather big fat dubby drum lines, which at that time in the morning on a cold empty stomach, can have a rather negative effect. All in all, a great experience. I can only wonder if further Organics will prove to be more of a festival than a rave. It was a bit like a time trip to see that culture again, but a pleasant one at that. We'll see next year.
1996-06-25 19:30Lazlo Nibble> The most surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He > has frequently e
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quoted 4 lines The most surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He> The most surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He > has frequently expressed his boredom with touring, up to the point of > stating that he was going to stick to the studio side of things, but > there he was.
Actually that was Andy Hughes. Pretty strong resemblance, though! Maybe that's how he got the gig. :-) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)
1996-06-27 18:02Tamara PalmerPete Ashdown said: > The Chemical Brothers arrived and promptly kicked everyone's ass. The
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Pete Ashdown said:
quoted 11 lines The Chemical Brothers arrived and promptly kicked everyone's ass. They> The Chemical Brothers arrived and promptly kicked everyone's ass. They > weren't there to entertain us with 303 mutations, there were just there to > drop incredibly funky crushing drum beats with the subtlety of a Panzer tank. > This was the best set yet. Their attitude oozed from the stage while their > stage hands picked females from the audience to gyrate to their workings. > Dance music with rock n' roll aspirations. Their visuals were equally subtle. > Cops beating up on crowds, large ground canons, bombs, war, death, and further > indications, that yes, The Chemicals were here to kick our ass. They only > band of the night to get an encore, yet they didn't care. They returned to > the stage, regarded their audience with disdain and continued to kick further > ass.
I completely disagree. To me they seemed like the only band that really didn't give a shit about being there and playing. This was the 4th time i've seen them and the set was basically the same...it gets real old real fast to see them wanking about and pretending to look entertaining when they're obviously not. Most people that had never seen them before enjoyed them but people that have seen them before that i talked to were basically in agreement with me. I thought they were mostly a waste of time. Keep in mind that i really liked them a while back but I just feel like they haven't evolved.
quoted 12 lines like watching a fascinating, ever changing jewel. I felt the fear of blinking> like watching a fascinating, ever changing jewel. I felt the fear of blinking > in case of missing something. Without a doubt, this was the best visuals I > had ever seen at any concert. They should immediately package it on laser > disc and release it to the public, works like that should not be canned > never to be seen again. What was even more amazing about the visuals is that > there wasn't a computer generated frame in site. How someone could make a > salad slicer into such a work of beauty is beyond me, but it happened. Back > that up with Orbital's music and it freezes you into a state of gaping awe. > The set was hardly danceable, and it was so above that. Royal Albert Hall > indeed, Orbital deserves to play in better places than dusty arenas and > smoke-filled clubs. With this tour, they have ascended into a different kind > of artistry.
Not to mention integrating Belinda Carlisle's "Heaven is a Place on Earth" with "Halcyon." :) :) Orbital were probably the highlight for me.
quoted 4 lines surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He has frequently> surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He has frequently > expressed his boredom with touring, up to the point of stating that he was > going to stick to the studio side of things, but there he was. Alex and > Thrash played a lot of new stuff, or at least unrecognizeable stuff.
It wasn't Thrash, it was Andy Hughes, who looks a lot like Thrash at a distance (same hair).
quoted 2 lines According to man-on-the-scene, Lazlo, a lot of what was played is due on the> According to man-on-the-scene, Lazlo, a lot of what was played is due on the > next album, which is a relief. It is a return to a more beat-laden form.
I couldn't pin down a release date on Dr. Patterson, but he did tell me that it would be called Orblivion... I've done extended reviews of the event for URB in America and Blah Blah Blah in the UK if anyone's interested...both will be out next month... All in all I thought Organic was incredibly positive and a great experience, even if simply for the opportunity to spend the weekend up in beautiful clean air and lovely scenery. ____ Hug Your Waistline to the Bassline Tamara Palmer trance@netcom.com Women Respond to Bass
1996-06-27 20:40James B GillWhat are you talking about??!! Not excited to be there, I disagree. I think they were The
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What are you talking about??!! Not excited to be there, I disagree. I think they were The BEst performers there, and I've seen them before(San Francisco, Oct.95). I thought this show was quite a bit different than that one. More new, unreleased sounds, harder!, longer. All in all, the bomb. I've got to go before my car gets towed from the computer lab; peace James Benjamin Gill-----jgill@u.arizona.edu**********************************
1996-06-28 11:12William L SamuelsTamara Palmer wrote about The Chemical Brothers > I completely disagree. To me they seemed
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Tamara Palmer wrote about The Chemical Brothers
quoted 8 lines I completely disagree. To me they seemed like the only band that really didn't> I completely disagree. To me they seemed like the only band that really didn't > give a shit about being there and playing. This was the 4th time i've seen > them and the set was basically the same...it gets real old real fast to see > them wanking about and pretending to look entertaining when they're obviously > not. Most people that had never seen them before enjoyed them but people that > have seen them before that i talked to were basically in agreement with me. > I thought they were mostly a waste of time. Keep in mind that i really liked > them a while back but I just feel like they haven't evolved.
I have to disagree with this statement. I've seen Chemical Brothers before and they were great both times. You mentioned that they play basically the same set. What do you expect, they only have one album? All the other bands at Organic have more albums. Also, the Chemical Brothers haven't been around that long. What maybe a year and a half? I think if I saw ANY band four times within a year, their set wouldn't vary that much. I met someone at the show, who saw them the night before in SF. They said that the show up there was different, a different set. Tom and Ed Chemical were jumping around during their whole performance, they certainly didn't look bored. I think they did a great job, just cause they didn't say anything like "hey LA you were great" or" we are glad to be here". Doesn't mean they don't give a shit about being there. You also said you liked them a while back and that you feel like they haven't evolved. Again look how long they have been around, are they suppose to evolve every 9 months. Have you heard their new remix of Dave Clarke's - No One's Driving? Perhaps you are getting bored because there are so many Chemical Brother rip-off bands coming from LA. I have heard SO many bands copying their style and most of them seem to be from LA. I see you write for URB, how come they are so behind. My favorite magazine is MUZIK, whenever I pick up URB it seems like such OLD news. I am glad that there is at least one decent American Magazine, trying to cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM and Muzik? I hope that URB can improve or catch up. cheers,
1996-06-28 14:57Dan Smith> You mentioned that they play > basically the same set. What do you expect, they only hav
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quoted 5 lines You mentioned that they play> You mentioned that they play > basically the same set. What do you expect, they only have one album? All > the other bands at Organic have more albums. Also, the Chemical Brothers > haven't been around that long. What maybe a year and a half? I think if I > saw ANY band four times within a year, their set wouldn't vary that much.
No, the Chem Bros (and as the dust bros) have been around longer than a year and a half. As far as having only one album, that's wrong cause the have a variety of singles as well with tunes not on the mainstream US release. I believe the point is that they must not have done anything new, where most of the rest of the acts which performed at Organic had new material and new releases (meat beat, orbital, orb with one coming soon.) You must understand that electronic recording artist are expected to have new material, remixes, etc. while out and about. Hey, they're not some lame ass rock n roll band who plays the same old tunes with every show. The standards are radically different in the electonic/ techno medium.
quoted 2 lines cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM> cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM > and Muzik? I hope that URB can improve or catch up.
That was pretty schmucky of you to openly flame like this... Luscious Daniel Smack robi@tiger.coe.missouri.edu http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~robi
1996-06-28 23:55William L SamuelsOn Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Dan Smith wrote: > No, the Chem Bros (and as the dust bros) have been
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On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Dan Smith wrote:
quoted 6 lines No, the Chem Bros (and as the dust bros) have been around longer than a> No, the Chem Bros (and as the dust bros) have been around longer than a > year and a half. As far as having only one album, that's wrong cause the > have a variety of singles as well with tunes not on the mainstream > US release. I believe the point is that they must not have done anything > new, where most of the rest of the acts which performed at Organic had new > material and new releases (meat beat, orbital, orb with one coming soon.)
Yeah, I know the Chemical Brothers use to be Dust Brothers (UK), and I bought the Song to the Siren, 14th Century Sky and My Mercury Mouth eps. And guess what a few of the tracks to 14th Century sky and Song to the Siren are on Exit Planet Dust, and 1 track from My Mercury Mouth is on the CD single for Life is sweet. And concerning whether the Chemical Brothers did anything new, YES they did. The newer material (not released yet) was great, there was one hard techno track and some other great songs. But you know I hear the exact same thing being said about Underworld, that they had the same kind of beats in all the songs. The truth is that both bands did a great job.
quoted 5 lines You must understand that electronic recording artist are expected to have> You must understand that electronic recording artist are expected to have > new material, remixes, etc. while out and about. Hey, they're not some > lame ass rock n roll band who plays the same old tunes with every > show. The standards are radically different in the electonic/ techno > medium.
Hey mate, did you see them perform? Do you know most of their remixes? I think they did a great job with there latest remix Dave Clarke's - No One's Driving. As far as electronic recording artist, I think they cover your requirements, mentioned above. I have heard some great stuff from the Chemicals, a lot of people like to piss on them because they are popular now.
quoted 4 lines cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM> > cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM > > and Muzik? I hope that URB can improve or catch up. > > That was pretty schmucky of you to openly flame like this...
I am just telling the truth, mate!! I RARELY find any new info in URB, I think that MUZIK is the best magazine covering this genre. It's constructive criticism, there are many of us out there that want to get NEW music as it comes out, that's also why we are on IDM. MIXMAG and JOCKEY SLUT are also pretty good magazines. I hope that URB can become a better periodical. I would rather buy a good domestic magazine instead of trying to track down the UK mags. But the UK one's are WAY WAY better. The sad thing is that I have to read a British Magazine, to find out about all of the good Detroit/American Techno. I buy URB whenever they have something interesting, it just pales compared the others. I don't want to piss on URB, I want them to get better!!
1996-06-29 11:02James B GillOn Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Dan Smith wrote: > > You mentioned that they play > > basically the s
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quoted 12 lines You mentioned that they play> > You mentioned that they play > > basically the same set. What do you expect, they only have one album? All > > the other bands at Organic have more albums. Also, the Chemical Brothers > > haven't been around that long. What maybe a year and a half? I think if I > > saw ANY band four times within a year, their set wouldn't vary that much. > > No, the Chem Bros (and as the dust bros) have been around longer than a > year and a half. As far as having only one album, that's wrong cause the > have a variety of singles as well with tunes not on the mainstream > US release. I believe the point is that they must not have done anything > new, where most of the rest of the acts which performed at Organic had new > material and new releases (meat beat, orbital, orb with one coming soon.)
I dont get you guys who didn't enjoy this show!!! I think they _have_ done "something new" just by making the music they are making. Who made tunes in this style besides a couple of people before them? And even they(MBM) were in a different vein of sound. The Chemicals' sound is being ripped off by sooo many people that it's ridiculous to expect their sound to be original anymore, after so many have stolen it. I still think they were the best ever!! And the new material sounds awesome.
quoted 4 lines cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM> > cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM > > and Muzik? I hope that URB can improve or catch up. > > That was pretty schmucky of you to openly flame like this...
Uhh, I think he was just stating the honest truth. Look at the Urb with Underworld on the cover. Everything in there was at least a couple of months old. But hey, it's not their fault, their just following the same american trend of being behind in the music scene. Muzik is still the best, imho. James Benjamin Gill-----jgill@u.arizona.edu**********************************
1996-06-29 19:24Greg Earle> I dont get you guys who didn't enjoy this show!!! I think they _have_ > done "something
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quoted 4 lines I dont get you guys who didn't enjoy this show!!! I think they _have_> I dont get you guys who didn't enjoy this show!!! I think they _have_ > done "something new" just by making the music they are making. Who made > tunes in this style besides a couple of people before them? And even > they (MBM) were in a different vein of sound.
If someone asked me to describe the Chemical Brothers, I'd call them "Meat Beat Manifesto deconstructionists". They deconstruct MBM down to the funky breaks core, and then loop it over and over (and over ... and over ... ). An interesting take on the Meat Beat sound, but it wears a bit thin over the course of a "set" that ends up sounding like loop after loop after loop. I was quite pleased to hear an actual 4/4 track in their Organic set; it broke up the monotony. (I still liked them, though. It's really interesting viewing music through the "cup-is-half-full" approach nowadays. Y'all ought to try it sometime.) - Greg
1996-06-30 04:46James B GillOn Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote: > > They deconstruct MBM down to the funky breaks c
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On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote:
quoted 6 lines They deconstruct MBM down to the funky breaks core, and then loop it over> > They deconstruct MBM down to the funky breaks core, and then loop it over > and over (and over ... and over ... ). An interesting take on the Meat Beat > sound, but it wears a bit thin over the course of a "set" that ends up > sounding like loop after loop after loop. I was quite pleased to hear an > actual 4/4 track in their Organic set; it broke up the monotony.
erm, 2 4/4 tracks; that new one(which just fucking kicked my ass it was so amazing!!) and "three little birdies down beats". Both of these tracks were brilliant, as with the rest of their set. MORE CHEMICALS!!!
quoted 5 lines (I still liked them, though. It's really interesting viewing music through> > (I still liked them, though. It's really interesting viewing music through > the "cup-is-half-full" approach nowadays. Y'all ought to try it sometime.) > > - Greg
yeah, that's how i feel about the new Meat Beat. Been around sooo long, yet still putting out albums which are only "half-full" in the musical approach theory stated above. But I know most all of the idmers love this double pack. It still seems like just "O.K" material to me. But I was surprised at their live show; it captivated me and made me pay attention. I found a new liking for them after seeing them live (thank god there weren't any leather - clad dancers!) James Benjamin Gill-----jgill@u.arizona.edu**********************************
1996-06-30 21:47Greg Earle> Yeah, that's how I feel about the new Meat Beat. Been around sooo long, > yet still putt
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quoted 7 lines Yeah, that's how I feel about the new Meat Beat. Been around sooo long,> Yeah, that's how I feel about the new Meat Beat. Been around sooo long, > yet still putting out albums which are only "half-full" in the musical > approach theory stated above. But I know most all of the idm'ers love > this double pack. It still seems like just "O.K" material to me. But I > was surprised at their live show; it captivated me and made me pay > attention. I found a new liking for them after seeing them live (thank > god there weren't any leather - clad dancers!)
I think you (James) misunderstood me. When I say the-cup-is-half-full, I'm saying I try to look for the good in everything now, rather than trying to ferret out (and focus on) the bad. I could say that the Chemicals bug me because their "songs" are just loops, but I liked the loops, so I liked them. That said ... As for Meat Beat, they were the big question mark for me at Organic. Unlike you (James), I've loved all the Meat Beat records. But the last couple of singles ("Asbestos Lead Asbestos", a pointless cover; and "Transmission") made me go "Hmmn". But based on what people said here, I decided to detour on the way to Organic to pick up "Subliminal Sandwich". Listened to all of disc one on the way there. Not too bad, but nothing earth-shattering, either. Then, on the way into the mountains, slipped disc two in ... and ... "HOLY HELLFIRE BATMAN, what the PHUQUE is THAT?" I exclaimed as the most slammin' Techno track I've heard in *eons* came blasting outta da speakers. "So THIS is what everybody's been talking about!" Well, I didn't get to hear all of disc two before we got to Organic, but I heard enough to make me wonder: which Meat Beat Manifesto was gonna show up? Well, the answer to that came quickly enough, when Jack came out with a real (human) drummer and a guitarist/saxaphonist. Instead of the disc two "Subliminal Sandwich" Meat Beat, we got the "organic" (no pun intended) Meat Beat. The sound was horrible for them (probably since they were the only ones using real instruments like that), I couldn't hear Jack's vocals, the guitarist/saxaphonist was utterly pointless, and the rhythm patterns that sound perfect booming out from the records sounded lousy when played by the live drummer. Old favorites like "Helter Skelter", "Radio Babylon", "God O.D." and "Original Control (Version 2)" (Tam, this is the real title of the "I am Electro" sample track) just sounded like pale imitations of the originals. To add insult to injury, later on, Underworld came out and played a couple of tracks that had the funky Meat Beat thang going, only done all electronically. And I stood there thinking, "Now why isn't *Jack* doing his tracks like this ... " (And of course, there was the Chems later on doing *their* take on the Meat Beat funky drummer thang, done electronically) In short, I was disappointed by Meat Beat's set. Given that I wasn't disappointed by anyone else at Organic (well, The Orb annoyed me, but they didn't disappoint), this was a bit of a bummer. I think Jack's "organic band" approach might have been more suited to the "Satyricon" tour (listen to some of the tracks on that album and hear all the organic instruments), but this is 1996, the 2nd disc of "Subliminal Sandwich" is stupendous and clearly in the here and now, and if Jack had come out by himself and played that stuff, he would have blown all the Techno kids away. I would have liked that *grin* - Greg
1996-06-30 23:23Eric FransOn Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote: } Well, the answer to that came quickly enough, whe
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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote: } Well, the answer to that came quickly enough, when Jack came out with a } real (human) drummer and a guitarist/saxaphonist. Instead of the disc two } "Subliminal Sandwich" Meat Beat, we got the "organic" (no pun intended) } Meat Beat. The sound was horrible for them (probably since they were the } only ones using real instruments like that), I couldn't hear Jack's vocals, } the guitarist/saxaphonist was utterly pointless, and the rhythm patterns } that sound perfect booming out from the records sounded lousy when played } by the live drummer. Old favorites like "Helter Skelter", "Radio Babylon", } "God O.D." and "Original Control (Version 2)" (Tam, this is the real title } of the "I am Electro" sample track) just sounded like pale imitations of } the originals. To add insult to injury, later on, Underworld came out and } played a couple of tracks that had the funky Meat Beat thang going, only } done all electronically. And I stood there thinking, "Now why isn't *Jack* } doing his tracks like this ... " (And of course, there was the Chems later on } doing *their* take on the Meat Beat funky drummer thang, done electronically) I think calling Meat Beat Manifesto's sound 'horrible' is a little much. Sure they broke out with a live drum kit, sax, and guitar, but you've got to admit that the drummer was the shit (in a good shit way 8) ), though. His drum breaks fit in perfectly with the electronic drum tracks and his timing was right on IMO. Did you catch the one section of the set where there was an extended drum track with only low Moog-like bass over the top? That was some serious Meat Beat funk! (If anyone knows what the hell I'm talking about here, was that a new cut because I didn't recognize it from the new double album?). Plus it was kind of cool to here a more improvisational feel to a lot the Meat Beat classics like Helter Skelter and Radio Babylon. I have to agree with you though about the guitar and sax, since I could barely even hear those two instruments in the mix. Jack's vocals did drop out every once in awhile, but they definitely were loud enough during quite a bit ot the show. You forgot to mention the addition of the theremin also. I thought that guy in the back controlling the keyboards and the theremin did a nice job of adding those great sci-fi sounds into the mix. I'm a big Meat Beat Manifesto fan myself and it might have been nice to hear some of the tracks from the new 2nd disc, but I don't think the lack of those songs and the addition of 'real' instruments made for a 'horrible' set. At least they were up for trying something new. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ Eric Frans :: franse@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
1996-07-01 04:17William L SamuelsOn Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Eric Frans response Greg Earle: > I think calling Meat Beat Manifesto
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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Eric Frans response Greg Earle:
quoted 21 lines I think calling Meat Beat Manifesto's sound 'horrible' is a little much.> I think calling Meat Beat Manifesto's sound 'horrible' is a little much. > Sure they broke out with a live drum kit, sax, and guitar, but you've got > to admit that the drummer was the shit (in a good shit way 8) ), though. > His drum breaks fit in perfectly with the electronic drum tracks and his > timing was right on IMO. Did you catch the one section of the set > where there was an extended drum track with only low Moog-like bass > over the top? That was some serious Meat Beat funk! (If anyone knows > what the hell I'm talking about here, was that a new cut because I didn't > recognize it from the new double album?). Plus it was kind of cool to > here a more improvisational feel to a lot the Meat Beat classics like > Helter Skelter and Radio Babylon. I have to agree with you though about > the guitar and sax, since I could barely even hear those two instruments > in the mix. Jack's vocals did drop out every once in awhile, but they > definitely were loud enough during quite a bit ot the show. You forgot > to mention the addition of the theremin also. I thought that guy in the > back controlling the keyboards and the theremin did a nice job of adding > those great sci-fi sounds into the mix. I'm a big Meat Beat Manifesto fan > myself and it might have been nice to hear some of the tracks from the new > 2nd disc, but I don't think the lack of those songs and the addition of > 'real' instruments made for a 'horrible' set. At least they were up for > trying something new.
I have to agree that MBM was definitely not horrible, and the drummer was really good. This was my first time seeing Meat Beat perform, and I think they did a really good job. I think that having the live drummer and guitarist was kind of cool. The drummer was solid! Perhaps, after years of using drum machines, Jack decided to experiment a little with his live performance. I will admit the highlight of his performance was when he played old favorites like Helter Skelter, and God O.D. At one point it in the show I could of swore that Jack was singing part of Ashes to Ashes by David Bowie, that was a big surprise. Getting back to live drumming, I read that Orbital taped a friend drumming so that they could sample and use it on their new album. I don't know what kind of drum machine they use, maybe they are bore with it's sounds or they wanted a different kind of drum sound then they have electronically.
1996-07-01 03:53William L SamuelsI just have a question. I am sure that Chemical Brothers are influenced by Meat Beat Manif
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I just have a question. I am sure that Chemical Brothers are influenced by Meat Beat Manifesto, but I don't know whether I would say CB are MBM deconstructionist. Both bands borrow heavily from others people. Meat Beat has sampled a lot of other people, and there are many people sampling Meat Beat. A friend of mine was commenting that the new Chemical Brothers remix of Dave Clarke used a sound from an MC Shan song. The Chemicals said that when they first got started they tried to sound like a mix of Renegade Soundwave and some else (wasn't MBM). Would you say that Meat Beat are deconstructionist of Public Enemy? I don't think that deconstructionist is an appropriate term, influenced, inspired, something like that maybe.
1996-06-28 17:25Tamara PalmerWilliam Samuels, my new favorite buddy, politely replied: > before and they were great bot
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William Samuels, my new favorite buddy, politely replied:
quoted 5 lines before and they were great both times. You mentioned that they play> before and they were great both times. You mentioned that they play > basically the same set. What do you expect, they only have one album? All > the other bands at Organic have more albums. Also, the Chemical Brothers > haven't been around that long. What maybe a year and a half? I think if I > saw ANY band four times within a year, their set wouldn't vary that much.
I saw them four times within TWO years, and the set didn't vary that much. Also, the fact that they've been around for more than a year and a half (their first ep coming out in '93, in fact) has already been mentioned to correct you.
quoted 6 lines I met someone at the show, who saw them the night before in SF. They said> I met someone at the show, who saw them the night before in SF. They said > that the show up there was different, a different set. Tom and Ed > Chemical were jumping around during their whole performance, they > certainly didn't look bored. I think they did a great job, just cause > they didn't say anything like "hey LA you were great" or" we are glad to be > here". Doesn't mean they don't give a shit about being there.
You're right, it was speculation on my part that they didn't give a shit about being there -- speculation that was corroborated by several of the artists on the bill that I discussed this with. Maybe they did care about being there, though it wasn't overly apparent to me.
quoted 6 lines You also said you liked them a while back and that you feel like they> You also said you liked them a while back and that you feel like they > haven't evolved. Again look how long they have been around, are they > suppose to evolve every 9 months. Have you heard their new remix of Dave > Clarke's - No One's Driving? Perhaps you are getting bored because there > are so many Chemical Brother rip-off bands coming from LA. I have heard > SO many bands copying their style and most of them seem to be from LA.
Why do you bring this up? Because I live in LA? Look, they are welcome to play the same sounds and songs for however long they feel like it. I'm just saying that I'm not going for it any more. I gave the Chemicals a hell of a lot of support leading up to and including their album (probably more than any other American journalist, because I wrote about them for several magazines), but I have gotten to the point where I am putting my foot down and saying that I have had enough of them. We will see if they stand the test of time and how (if??) they evolve...it looks like burnout to me, and Loops of Fury and their newer material (like the Dave Clarke mix) haven't convinced me otherwise. You may not agree (and obviously don't), and that's fine -- we have different opinions. What seems kind of fucked up to me is that you will go ahead and attack my employer in an attempt to discredit me (see below paragraph). I think that's very childish. I am not trying to represent myself as a top authority or anything...if it's ever come off that way it has not been my intention AT ALL. And I resent you insinuating that my opinion has no validity because I work for a magazine that you think isn't good. I don't think I have the supreme opinion of the universe but I do think that I have something to say and I will stand behind it, just as you stand behind yours.
quoted 5 lines I see you write for URB, how come they are so behind. My favorite> I see you write for URB, how come they are so behind. My favorite > magazine is MUZIK, whenever I pick up URB it seems like such OLD news. I > am glad that there is at least one decent American Magazine, trying to > cover the techno scene. Why should anyone ever buy URB when we have IDM > and Muzik? I hope that URB can improve or catch up.
Which American magazine is that, William? MUZIK? I've got news for you, son... MUZIK is English. I don't even want to get into grappling with you about URB. I realize not everyone thinks it's a great magazine, or even a good magazine. I don't know when you last read it and I don't really even care. If you had any sense you'd realize that URB cannot possibly be as timely as IDM because it takes a few months to put together (where are IDM's dazzling graphics?). IDM can be a terrific resource, but you can't lump them into the same category because they serve different purposes and cover different spectrums. IDM (the music) is only a small part of what we cover, and if you've paid attention to the last couple issues and pay attention in the future you'll notice that I am doiny my best to not only involve this type of music more but to actually bring in some of IDM's best critics to write (like Alan Parry, Chris Hilker and Aran Parillo -- yes I am paying attention to what you all are writing). I have only been working there a few months (after writing for a few years) and I feel that I am bringing positive changes to URB...but we'll never make everyone happy and that's totally cool. As for MUZIK, well, they are owned by England's biggest publisher (I think) called IPC, which is also responsible for music mags like NME and Melody Maker. We are independently owned and fighting for survival. I think we do a good job given our resources and while we might not have the timeliness of a MUZIK, I think we put out a nicer-looking product that's more street-level accessible and personal. That being said, I read MUZIK too. Anyway, I've wasted FAR too much time replying to you, but I definitely saw that as a completely lame and unfair personal attack...just because I dare to have an opinion on this list, same as you.
quoted 3 lines cheers,> > cheers, >
piss off. ____ Hug Your Waistline to the Bassline Tamara Palmer trance@netcom.com Women Respond to Bass
1996-06-28 19:06Pete AshdownSpeaking of seeing the Chems four times in the past year. Did you go to the Juno Reactor c
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Speaking of seeing the Chems four times in the past year. Did you go to the Juno Reactor concert? I was dismayed to read that it already happened via "Fix". How was it?
1996-06-29 15:41Tamara PalmerPete Ashdown asks: > Speaking of seeing the Chems four times in the past year. Did you go
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Pete Ashdown asks:
quoted 3 lines Speaking of seeing the Chems four times in the past year. Did you go to the> Speaking of seeing the Chems four times in the past year. Did you go to the > Juno Reactor concert? I was dismayed to read that it already happened via > "Fix". How was it?
It was a poorly advertised show at one of the softcore sex-type clubs, and I didn't go. If memory serves it was the same night as something I thought was more interesting (maybe an out-of-town DJ or something like that)...I actually don't know anyone who went that could report on it. My father told me he heard a story on NPR "All Things Considered" the other day about trance clubs in England and they focused heavily on Juno Reactor. Did anyone hear it? This must be the 4th time or so within the past year that NPR has done a dance music-related story. Interesting... ____ Hug Your Waistline to the Bassline Tamara Palmer trance@netcom.com Women Respond to Bass
1996-06-29 19:35Greg Earle> Pete Ashdown asks: > >> Speaking of seeing the Chems four times in the past year. Did yo
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quoted 9 lines Pete Ashdown asks:> Pete Ashdown asks: > >> Speaking of seeing the Chems four times in the past year. Did you go to the >> Juno Reactor concert? I was dismayed to read that it already happened via >> "Fix". How was it? > > It was a poorly advertised show at one of the softcore sex-type clubs, and I > didn't go. If memory serves it was the same night as something I thought was > more interesting (maybe an out-of-town DJ or something like that)
In other words, it was at Sin-A-Matic on June 8th and from the ad I couldn't tell whether it was Juno performing live or a "Juno Reactor record release party" (with no Juno) and the combination of those 2 kept us away. I wouldn't go to Sin-A-Matic to see Juno or anyone. There's 5 or more "rave" (for lack of a better word) type events in L.A. every Friday and Saturday nowadays; no good reason why Juno Reactor couldn't be at one of those instead. Especially given the fledgling Goa scene that exists here. - Greg Still no Organic review
1996-06-29 00:40William L SamuelsFri, 28 Jun 1996, Tamara Palmer wrote: > I'm just saying that I'm not going for it any mor
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quoted 8 lines I'm just saying that I'm not going for it any more. I gave the> I'm just saying that I'm not going for it any more. I gave the > Chemicals a hell of a lot of support leading up to and including > their album (probably more than any other American journalist, because > I wrote about them for several magazines), > but I have gotten to the point where I am putting my foot down and saying that > I have had enough of them. We will see if they stand the test of time and how > (if??) they evolve...it looks like burnout to me, and Loops of Fury and their > newer material (like the Dave Clarke mix) haven't convinced me otherwise.
So I know where you are coming from, perhaps you could tell me what bands you are supporting. Now that you are not supporting CB. Carl Craig or Claude young? Underworld?
quoted 2 lines Which American magazine is that, William? MUZIK? I've got news for you, son...> Which American magazine is that, William? MUZIK? I've got news for you, son... > MUZIK is English.
Gee, I never would of guessed. I thought it was kind of odd that all they talked about was the UK scene (Sarcasm). The one decent American Magazine I was refering to was URB. DECENT not great or anything like that. IDM
quoted 7 lines can be a terrific resource, but you can't lump them into the same category> can be a terrific resource, but you can't lump them into the same category > because they serve different purposes and cover different spectrums. IDM (the > music) is only a small part of what we cover, and if you've paid attention > to the last couple issues and pay attention in the future you'll notice that > I am doiny my best to not only involve this type of music more but to actually > bring in some of IDM's best critics to write (like Alan Parry, Chris Hilker and > Aran Parillo -- yes I am paying attention to what you all are writing).
Yes I do remember seeing something about IDM in the last URB. Definitely, a positive step, good for you.
quoted 3 lines I have only been working there a few months (after writing for a few> I have only been working there a few months (after writing for a few > years) and I feel that I am bringing positive changes to URB...but > we'll never make everyone happy and that's totally cool.
Listen, I think you took my message too strongly. I didn't attack URB, I DID criticize it in a constructive manner. I DIDN'T say that it was a crappy magazine or anything like that. I did say that it was way behind and most of the articles and reviews are old by the time I read them. That is why I buy MUZIK, and prefer it. They usually review things before they even come out, and they have a wide focus everything from Trance to Hardbag (I Hate Hardbag). They even talk about older dance artist, they did an article on Mantronix once. I think they do a pretty good job. It is obvious that you and I don't agree about the Organic show, it does seem apparent that you and I agree that Muzik and IDM are valuable resources. And if you can improve URB, I will definitely applaud that. I also realize that the American techno scene isn't nearly as advanced as it is in Europe. It is kind of frustrating that I have to buy a British Magazine (that cost $7-8), to find out about some of the Brilliant Detroit techno. It is sad that some of our best techno artist get little recognition over here, over there they are stars. Cheers,
1996-06-29 00:02AWerks2@aol.comthat's wrong cause they have a variety of singles as well with tunes not on the mainstream
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that's wrong cause they have a variety of singles as well with tunes not on the mainstream US release. I believe the point is that they must not have done anything new, Not so. Actually a good portion of their set was material that they were testing out in preparation for their new album in early '97. And what's not on the US release that's on the import? Peter Wohelski Astralwerks