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At 03:09 PM 6/19/96 -0400, Howard Shih wrote:

quoted 2 lines While we're on the subject of Mr. Parkes...

>While we're on the subject of Mr. Parkes... >Does anyone have any idea what his setup is?

I do believe it's about time to put Mr. Parkes under the IDM microscope, especially in light of all the ANTI-squarepusher sentiment around here. IMO what Rupert has been doing (although extremely original) is as formulaic as what T.J. Pusherman has done. Also, there seem to be in my ears a familiar *thinness* to his breaks...dare I attribute this to a digital Vs analog approach? Last, I find it quite amusing that people would go to great extent nit- picking T.J.'s work in the same breath as a big thumbs up for this hidden camera 2x12" of which I can only find 1 track which _really_ hits the spot. DO NOT get me wrong, I have an erupting Photek collection (and a left winger on my SNES NHL96 named "Rupert Parkes" :) which I enjoy immensely. I just wonder if we're overanalyzing some while underanalysing others? Teep Boston area be forewarned...2 hour sets from DJ bunyip & Teep this w/e on the 90.3 FM 2am - 6am sundaze (after sasha 11-2 saturday night) chekkit.

On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Aran M. Parillo wrote:

quoted 4 lines IMO what Rupert has been doing (although extremely original) is as

> IMO what Rupert has been doing (although extremely original) is as > formulaic as what T.J. Pusherman has done. Also, there seem to be > in my ears a familiar *thinness* to his breaks...dare I attribute this > to a digital Vs analog approach?

It seems to me that Jenkinson loves the tried-and-true Amen, but just cuts it to ribbons on almost every track. Parkes is more of a DIY-breaks kind of guy, and crafts his own loops, which might account for the lack of fullness (Amen break is *very* busy, while PhotekBeats seem to "breathe" more to me). Plus, I think Parke's just enjoys making very metallic, techno-influenced (check the kick-drum on "UFO") rhythms, which could come aross as thin-sounding or tinny when compared with the non-stop bustle of the Amen.

quoted 4 lines Last, I find it quite amusing that people would go to great extent nit-

> Last, I find it quite amusing that people would go to great extent nit- > picking T.J.'s work in the same breath as a big thumbs up for this > hidden camera 2x12" of which I can only find 1 track which _really_ hits > the spot.

The one with all the sampled jazz hits, right? I thought this cut was mindblowing when I heard it, but you're right that the other three are a bit too similar to his recent output (if we are indeed talking about the same track ;) ).

quoted 2 lines DO NOT get me wrong, I have an erupting Photek collection (and a left

> DO NOT get me wrong, I have an erupting Photek collection (and a left > winger on my SNES NHL96 named "Rupert Parkes" :) which I enjoy immensely.

Does he score alot of goals? ;) - Matthew OnNow-->Erik Van Den Broek: Subsonic Soundscape

quoted 2 lines I do believe it's about time to put Mr. Parkes under the IDM microscope,

>I do believe it's about time to put Mr. Parkes under the IDM microscope, >especially in light of all the ANTI-squarepusher sentiment around here.

anti? I don't remember anyone saying that sp shouldn't exist.

quoted 4 lines IMO what Rupert has been doing (although extremely original) is as

>IMO what Rupert has been doing (although extremely original) is as >formulaic as what T.J. Pusherman has done. Also, there seem to be >in my ears a familiar *thinness* to his breaks...dare I attribute this >to a digital Vs analog approach?

Go back under your bridge, troll.

quoted 4 lines Last, I find it quite amusing that people would go to great extent nit-

>Last, I find it quite amusing that people would go to great extent nit- >picking T.J.'s work in the same breath as a big thumbs up for this >hidden camera 2x12" of which I can only find 1 track which _really_ hits >the spot.

Just listen to it for a week straight, you'll get sick of being bored by the other tracks and start liking them. I hear this works for house music too.

quoted 1 line I just wonder if we're overanalyzing some while underanalysing others?

>I just wonder if we're overanalyzing some while underanalysing others?

possibly. but remember, all you have to do is listen to "Intelligent Dance Music" and you are automatically intelligent! No need for silly reasons in our postmodern society, just swallow the hype and be reborn. eric p.s. "Amen, Brother" by the Winstons, the flip of "Color Him Father"

quoted 2 lines Also, there seem to be

>>Also, there seem to be >>in my ears a familiar *thinness* to his breaks...

I disagree. Photek's jungle is at times so thick that I have to get out my mental machette just to cut through the massively tangled breakbeat underbrush.

quoted 1 line Go back under your bridge, troll.

>Go back under your bridge, troll.

Now now, kids, play nice.

quoted 4 lines Last, I find it quite amusing that people would go to great extent nit-

>>Last, I find it quite amusing that people would go to great extent nit- >>picking T.J.'s work in the same breath as a big thumbs up for this >>hidden camera 2x12" of which I can only find 1 track which _really_ hits >>the spot.

One was hyped to fuck, the other simply got a few tiny adverts in the music press. This explains the difference, I think.

quoted 2 lines Just listen to it for a week straight, you'll get sick of being bored by the

>Just listen to it for a week straight, you'll get sick of being bored by the >other tracks and start liking them. I hear this works for house music too.

I didn't get _bored_ by any of the tracks on Hidden Camera, though they do seem a bit more static than most other Photek stuff.

quoted 1 line I just wonder if we're overanalyzing some while underanalysing others?

>>I just wonder if we're overanalyzing some while underanalysing others?

Definitely.

quoted 1 line p.s. "Amen, Brother" by the Winstons, the flip of "Color Him Father"

>p.s. "Amen, Brother" by the Winstons, the flip of "Color Him Father"

...is the break that dominates the flip of Form and Function Volume 1.

In reference to Rupert's chopped up breaks style... KJZ on Hidden Camera is based on some breaks that Kirk Degeorgio gave him and chopped up... Food for thought. Peter Wohelski Astralwerks

quoted 1 line anti? I don't remember anyone saying that sp shouldn't exist.

>anti? I don't remember anyone saying that sp shouldn't exist.

Yes anti... as in "against or opposite" as in antichrist. I don't think anyone has a say about SP "existing".

quoted 2 lines Just listen to it for a week straight, you'll get sick of being bored by the

>Just listen to it for a week straight, you'll get sick of being bored by the >other tracks and start liking them. I hear this works for house music too.

I think you missed the part about being junkked out on fauXtacy.

quoted 1 line just swallow the hype and be reborn.

>just swallow the hype and be reborn.

Which reminds me...would you all prefer if label heads WERE NOT excited about their upcoming records? I'm considering starting up a label and this kind of information would be useful to me. Teep on now: Sharky Sarc and the Chasms - Hauteur's groove

On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Aran M. Parillo wrote:

quoted 4 lines Which reminds me...would you all prefer if label heads WERE NOT excited

> Which reminds me...would you all prefer if label heads WERE NOT excited > about their upcoming records? I'm considering starting up a label and this > kind of information would be useful to me. >

Hmmm...first off, I can't imagine you NOT being excitable about music you want to put out. I don't think that's an option here. I can see it now though -- the ad in mixmag: "Another set of releases that sound pretty much like the last batch from Eh...Whatever records. You might like 'em, you might not. I don't give fuck all either way." --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

MJL with the discourse I'm yearning...

quoted 1 line It seems to me that Jenkinson loves the tried-and-true Amen,

>It seems to me that Jenkinson loves the tried-and-true Amen,

I would say his finest moments are when the 'techno boxes' creep up into the mix in "support" of the groove and the amen moments only settle his ass down into the d&b pigeon hole. I find it hard to deny the genius of say, conumber (which BTW is where I recd. my introduction to SP and may help explain why I will not stand for it being thought of as less then fresh) but understand an allergic reaction to bubbles and squeaks.

quoted 1 line (check the kick-drum on "UFO")

>(check the kick-drum on "UFO")

*nods excessively*

quoted 1 line the other three are a bit too similar to his recent output

>the other three are a bit too similar to his recent output

*nods excessively*

quoted 1 line Does he score alot of goals? ;)

>Does he score alot of goals? ;)

*nods excessively* Teep obligatory beg for records: can someone pls sell me ishii-tangled notes?! (hey it works sometimes!)

Howard Shih wrote:

quoted 3 lines What's this "Amen" break I keep on reading about in Jungle reviews.

> What's this "Amen" break I keep on reading about in Jungle reviews. > I suppose it's from some tune called "Amen" but who did it orignally? And > is it still in print?

quoted 1 line Can someone point out a Photek tune that uses it if he uses it at all? UFO maybe?

> Can someone point out a Photek tune that uses it if he uses it at all? UFO maybe?

No, not UFO, check Photek 02 ("Book of changes"), has been re-iussed recently.

quoted 2 lines While we're on the subject of Mr. Parkes...

> While we're on the subject of Mr. Parkes... > Does anyone have any idea what his setup is?

He uses 2 EMU's (e64 or E4) at least. check the interview (and pics) in MUZIK magazin (June '96). Thaddi

quoted 7 lines just swallow the hype and be reborn.

> >just swallow the hype and be reborn. > > Which reminds me...would you all prefer if label heads WERE NOT excited > about their upcoming records? I'm considering starting up a label and this > kind of information would be useful to me. > > Teep

I think its great if label heads ARE excited about their upcoming releases (if the excitement is for the music and not for how much bread their gonna cream from their punters). The truly sad thing about hype is when sheep-like masses get excited about something because other people are excited about it rather than getting excited about it on a personal/individual level. (sorry - rambling a bit - does it make sense?) Nikad ps - if you are THINKING about starting up a label DO it! Maybe then you could get excited about releasing some of my stuff :-)