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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Fresh/Gonzi Merchan wrote:

quoted 2 lines It's hard to take anyone seriously when they're wearing leather

> It's hard to take anyone seriously when they're wearing leather > pants.

Industrial is to leather, as rave is to PVC. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

quoted 5 lines Sure, industrial had its peak a while back, but don't completely

> >Sure, industrial had its peak a while back, but don't completely > >trash it. > > It's hard to take anyone seriously when they're wearing leather > pants.

NO JOKE!!! JASON

I think if you take any music and try and pigeonhole it in a musical category, you limit your abilitiy to truly absorb it by clouding your mind with expectations that a particular genre give. Don't think Industrial when listenong to Cylob. Think music. It is quite an interesting bit of music. How someone might go about layering noise in a musical manner like that is amazing. Very few artist have managed to actually use noise musically. Most of today's "industial" artists go nowhere near noise. Most of today's "noise" artist go nowhere near music. Cylob and I'd have to say Kinesesthesia (though I haven't heard Empathy Box and the remixes yet) do an excellent job of being noisey while ramaining musical. This is very tough and I challenge any of you to pull it off with the finesse that these releases have. I'm not quite sure I agree about RDJ's releases doing this though. I feel him much more musical with a gritty edge. I haven't heard everything though, so I haven't any clue what he's up to now. I do have Ventolin, however, which is still gritty to me but still very musical. Paradinas has an uncanny ability to pull off using sounds which if used by others would sound cheap and campy. Paradinas' music isn't noisy, it's just bold and dares to incorporate sounds and styles which everyone else fears or just plain misses. Of course this is all my very biased opinion. __ -robert | |___ ____ ____ _____ | |_ \ / -__/ / _/ | _ \ __________ |_____/ \___\ |_| | |__/ / -studio- \ _________________________________ |_| http://icse1.ucsd.edu/~rcurlee/ \

quoted 22 lines I picked this up today and it is not the marbled grey vinyl. I'm not

> > I picked this up today and it is not the marbled grey vinyl. I'm not > > worried about that. What I am concerned with is why did mine just come in > > a vinyl sleeve and does this have a tracklisting??? > > I have the marbled grey vinyl pressing of this (with the styrofoam > sleeve - cool), and I got another copy later for a friend but it was the > same as yours. I'd imagine the colored vinyl version was limited. I > don't know to how many though. > > Why did it come in a cheap plastic record jacket? Who knows. As far > as the track listing... I'd like to know it as well. > > > ...ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT CYLOB IS WOW!!! > > No kidding. Every time I listen to this record I have to shake my > head in disappointment at the direction `industrial' music has taken. To > me, THIS is what industrial is supposed to sound like - fuck that heavy > metal crap that's so prominent nowadays. > > Chris Jeffs needs to give music lessons. > > bolyc.

I myself started to listen to industrial music before I found this phenomenon called Aphex Twin. Then that led to Mu-Ziq, Kinesthesia, Cylob, and the rest of the Rephlex Moonlighters. Now I hate Industrial music and what it has become. It is not what it use to be and it has not really made any major advances forward. JASON

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, C.J. Mc Collum wrote:

quoted 5 lines I myself started to listen to industrial music before I found this

> I myself started to listen to industrial music before I found this > phenomenon called Aphex Twin. Then that led to Mu-Ziq, Kinesthesia, > Cylob, and the rest of the Rephlex Moonlighters. Now I hate Industrial music > and what it has become. It is not what it use to be and it has not > really made any major advances forward.

Sure, industrial had its peak a while back, but don't completely trash it. Bands like Leather Strip, Mentallo & The Fixer, Cubanate, Chemlab and ex-Skinny Puppy freaks Download have taken the electronics and noise ratio to new proportions. Sure, most of it sucks (look at labels like Van Richter, who keep releasing the same old paint-by-numbers electronic beat pop industrial crap) but if you look hard enough, it's out there waiting for you. I mean, sure most industrial bands have either gone techno (Front Line Assembly) or metal, (Ministry) even the new KMFDM has a drum'n bass track...but don't let that get you down. And in regards to that Cylob 12" ? Well, I got my hands on it about 7 months ago, and listened to the first track...thought it was pretty funny, but had believed at the time the rest of the album would actually be musically listenable. Second track, that mellow drowning industrial whooshing sound...pretty, but compared to some of the 'drones' ambient series, it pales in comparison. On the flip side, more crunchy boring noisy loops... and I do mean loops, because it terms of aural progression, it goes nowhere. The following track is just as dull...and the final sequenced lite percussion track is neat, playfull, different, inspiring...almost like that touring 'STOMP' show...but nothing particularily special. In all, a musical joke. I feel that the Cylob 12" is more suited on a wall (the packaging is beautiful) and not on a record album. For crazy noisy psycho aurally expanding noise, check out Aphex Twin's 'Ventolin.' That is one of the better noise pieces I've heard as of late. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

Aaron, do you mean to say that the "Few good industrial bands out there(Chemlab, cubanate) (_Your words_)" actually even compare to this awesome 12"? Man, I'm starting to think we're polar opposites with Gescom and now this. The "Loops" track that "Goes nowhere" is one of my personal favourites; take a good listen and note the subtle squeaks and grinds - things do change in this song. Coming from an ex-industrial fan myself, I haven't heard a song by ANY new Industrial group(or some of the old ones who should have retired years ago; you mentioned most of them in your post, ie Ministry, KMFDM, Skinny Puppy) sound this progressive or grinding, or just plain harsh! This 12" is at least taking Industrial to the next level, so to speak, and not just rehashing old sounds such as Laether Strip and most all of the current Industrial producers. pb4ugo2bed(Who?) James Benjamin Gill-----jgill@u.arizona.edu**********************************

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, James B Gill wrote:

quoted 2 lines ones who should have retired years ago; you mentioned most of them in

> ones who should have retired years ago; you mentioned most of them in > your post, ie Ministry, KMFDM, Skinny Puppy) sound this progressive or

^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have to disagree with that, if you haven't heard the Skinny Puppy offset called Download give it a listen. This is where the two realms converge, that is "industrial" & "techno", notice I put them in quotes because they are very vague genres and have different meanings to each person.

quoted 3 lines grinding, or just plain harsh! This 12" is at least taking Industrial to

> grinding, or just plain harsh! This 12" is at least taking Industrial to > the next level, so to speak, and not just rehashing old sounds such as > Laether Strip and most all of the current Industrial producers.

Downloads' sounds are far from being rehashed, the mixture of original synth sounds and acoustic instruments are incredible and not to mention the amazing production Cevin Key(Kevin Crompton) does with the mixes. Of course all of this IMHO. ;) Ross Volition Inc

On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Ross Vitale wrote:

quoted 7 lines grinding, or just plain harsh! This 12" is at least taking Industrial to

> > grinding, or just plain harsh! This 12" is at least taking Industrial to > > the next level, so to speak, and not just rehashing old sounds such as > > Laether Strip and most all of the current Industrial producers. > > Downloads' sounds are far from being rehashed, the mixture of original > synth sounds and acoustic instruments are incredible and not to mention > the amazing production Cevin Key(Kevin Crompton) does with the mixes.

I agree with you on this point...his work, along with Mark Spybey and DJ Philth is original and far from conventional. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

Hey Ross, I have heard Download, and consider them miles away from the cheesy old Industrial mattadores still crankin' the tunes out their ass'. And what not. I still think all the records on Reload, Peacefrog, Rephlex, and Detroit style sounds are miles ahead of Download. It's all linear, and the front of the line is definitely not Industrial. pb4ugo2bed(Who?) James Benjamin Gill-----jgill@u.arizona.edu**********************************

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, James B Gill wrote:

quoted 3 lines Aaron, do you mean to say that the "Few good industrial bands out

> Aaron, do you mean to say that the "Few good industrial bands out > there(Chemlab, cubanate) (_Your words_)" actually even compare to this > awesome 12"?

Erm, yah...I found that the technical aspects of Cylob outway the actual listening pleasure of the 12". When it comes to noisy soundscapes, even Controlled Bleeding do it better... Note: my mentioning of KMFDM, Ministry etc. were simply examples of current music trends, and not examples of modern innovative industrial groups. There has definitely been a shift to IDM in terms of the output of new and innovative material over the last 4 years, but in no way has industrial music been completely lost. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

quoted 2 lines Sure, industrial had its peak a while back, but don't completely

>Sure, industrial had its peak a while back, but don't completely >trash it.

quoted 2 lines It's hard to take anyone seriously when they're wearing leather

>It's hard to take anyone seriously when they're wearing leather >pants.

quoted 1 line /"'RESH

>>/"'RESH

Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA I'd be willing to agree that 95% of current industrial bands are either extremely derivitive or guitar ridden garbage up there are a few bands out there making original and interesting music....Haujobb, Lassigue Bendthous(AKA Atom Heart), Informatik, Download, and Front 242(are they still together??) ROB:)!!!!!!!!!!!

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Robert C. Galbraith wrote:

quoted 5 lines I'd be willing to agree that 95% of current industrial bands are either

> I'd be willing to agree that 95% of current industrial bands are either > extremely derivitive or guitar ridden garbage up there are a few bands > out there making original and interesting music....Haujobb, Lassigue > Bendthous(AKA Atom Heart), Informatik, Download, and Front 242(are they > still together??)

Front 242 broke up a while back. For the latest material for Jean Luc de Meyer (Front 242 vocals) check out Cyber-Tec...1/3 Front 242, 2/3 Cubanate...another industrial band that's still putting out decent music. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org