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Now available... SONGS OF A DEAD DREAMER, the debut album from DJ SPOOKY. Available at all good record stores or direct from ASPHODEL. DJ Spooky (aka Paul Miller), named "Hot DJ of the Year" by Rolling Stone Magazine, mixes ambient, abstract world, trip hop and dub. "A John Coltrane of the decks" - The Wire, April 1996 ------------------------------------------------- Asphodel, Box 51, Chelsea Station, New York, NY 10113, USA Voice: 212-463-9181 / Fax: 212-463-9423 / Email: asphodel@interport.net Website: http://www.wilder.net/stc Upcoming from Asphodel: Single Cell Orchestra, Mick Harris/James Plotkin, Rhythm & Noise, Storm of Drones, Tetsu Inoue, Iso Orchestra, Ken Nordine

quoted 2 lines DJ Spooky (aka Paul Miller), named "Hot DJ of the Year" by Rolling

> DJ Spooky (aka Paul Miller), named "Hot DJ of the Year" by Rolling > Stone Magazine, mixes ambient, abstract world, trip hop and dub.

"Rolling Stone" wouldn't know a "hot DJ" if s/he thwapped Jann Wenner upside the head with a 2x4 (woodus grainibus variety)

quoted 1 line "A John Coltrane of the decks" - The Wire, April 1996

> "A John Coltrane of the decks" - The Wire, April 1996

What Teep said. - Greg

quoted 1 line "A John Coltrane of the decks" - The Wire, April 1996

>"A John Coltrane of the decks" - The Wire, April 1996

IMO, this hype qualifies as borderline blasphemy and I'm going to let "The Wire" know. Don't get me wrong, I'll fight tooth and nail for the consideration of dj talent as 'artistry' but comparisons to the Trane?!? Q-bert maybe...but I've seen Spooky and he's not even Kenny G. Teep

At 01:38 PM 4/22/96 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines DJ Spooky (aka Paul Miller), named "Hot DJ of the Year" by Rolling

>> DJ Spooky (aka Paul Miller), named "Hot DJ of the Year" by Rolling >> Stone Magazine, mixes ambient, abstract world, trip hop and dub. > >"Rolling Stone" wouldn't know a "hot DJ" if s/he thwapped Jann Wenner upside >the head with a 2x4 (woodus grainibus variety)

Hey, they've done a couple articles on Moby. I hear he's good. Do you have anything by him? Is he a whale? :) Andrew -- Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@cruzio.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/

Some guy wrote: >this spooky guy has every writer on >his jock just 'cause he can spout postmodern semiotic bullshit at the drop of

quoted 1 line a hat.

>a hat.

I usually don't get into dj wars... (more often than not, its just down to taste...or juvenalia), but if you've ever heard spooky spin, his skills are hard to contest. His musical selection is top notch and he is very active on the decks... (by this I mean his sets are seldom passive.... he's always creating different textures and all his scratches, etc. never come of gimmicky). This is not the sort of thing I usually comment on, but to compare him to Kenny G. is just disrespectful. The few times I've heard him, his sets have always been very engaging and I suggest that perhaps you hear him spin again and reconsider.

Truly surprised at the misjudging of DJ Spooky, so harsh, seeming with vengence. Where does this come from? His philosphies and criticism, even when off, just add to a more well rounded artistry, and yes he can mix, and the sounds he extracts from his musicals roots (dub, soul, funk and jungle) are so well selected and so tastefully and still recklessly manipulated, I do think he is the best experimental DJ on the scene. Anyone at the Frying Pan on Friday would most likely agree, a brilliant set, so alive and pumped up and so soulful. I expected IDMers to be a more open mind-- the conservatism attached to this kind of techno purism (puritianism?) seems antithetic to what all this music is about. -Adam

LittleAdam@aol.com proclaimed...

quoted 2 lines Truly surprised at the misjudging of DJ Spooky, so harsh, seeming with

>Truly surprised at the misjudging of DJ Spooky, so harsh, seeming with >vengence. Where does this come from?

Firstly, the harshness was directed toward "the Wire" who dared compare a humble dj to John Coltrane. In my opinion, even if you were Q-bert, that's a stretch which is going to draw some serious fire. Next, I have had the opportunity to see/hear Spooky spin and it was about as uneventful as a dj set can get. He put a track on and then took it off and put on another track. Wow! There was no cutting, no scratching, no whismical deejay dynamics, in fact, he even looked bored! Most importantly, his track selection was well less then extra-ordinary. So now then, the Wire is comparing such a dee jay to one of the most profound jazz pioneers our world has been blessed with? I would hope jazz fans would have the sack to stand up and proclaim the contrary. Decide for yourself... http://www.siba.fi/~eonttone/trane.html http://www.gac.edu/~sanderso/coltrane.html

quoted 2 lines the conservatism

>the conservatism >attached to this kind of techno purism (puritianism?)

What the blazes are you talking about?! Did I miss something? Teep on in the carride to work this am: poem - joe rice

quoted 3 lines Firstly, the harshness was directed toward "the Wire" who dared compare a

> Firstly, the harshness was directed toward "the Wire" who dared compare a > humble dj to John Coltrane. In my opinion, even if you were Q-bert, that's > a stretch which is going to draw some serious fire.

I don't think you should take that Coltrane metaphore literally (if you do, it won't be a metaphore anymore => meta-whore). Turntable artists and instrumentalists like John Coltrane are not comparable, in my opinion, and thank god for that. However, the Coltrane metaphore is probably saying something like "DJ Spooky is one of the best turntable artists around, compared to the other *turntable* artists being around. John Coltrane was/is one of the best jazz- musicians around, compared to other (jazz-)musicians who was or still is around." At least this is how I choose to interpret it. Teep's interpretation is of course just as valid (if not as probable :) proving that poetry without metaphores is like music without sound.

quoted 5 lines Next, I have had the opportunity to see/hear Spooky spin and it was about as

> Next, I have had the opportunity to see/hear Spooky spin and it was about as > uneventful as a dj set can get. He put a track on and then took it off and > put on another track. Wow! There was no cutting, no scratching, no > whismical deejay dynamics, in fact, he even looked bored! Most importantly, > his track selection was well less then extra-ordinary.

I've only heard two DJ Spooky tracks - one being a collaboration with avantgarde trumpet-player Ben Neill, the other being a track on the "In Memoriam Gillez Deleuze" compilation on Mille Plateaux (which is fantastic, by the way; look out for review coming soon) - so I probably shouldn't be too opinionated, but...I thought both of them were quite a treat. His dark, almost metallic reverberations of sound are more scary than a car without brakes, and his tracks seem quite impressive considering what he has to work with. Also, there was a picture of DJ Spooky DJing in the latest edition of The Wire (!), and he does look quite a busy man. Maybe you caught him on a bad day, or perhaps he felt lazy and paid a lookalike to do his job.

quoted 3 lines Teep

> > Teep >

/Oivind Idso/ "I am wrong, ergo I am not the one I think I am." -Bachelard

quoted 1 line This was actually in "Rolling Stone."

>This was actually in "Rolling Stone."

So then asphodel@interport.net (Erik Gilbert) has been incorrectly attributing it to The Wire...like a so...

quoted 1 line "A John Coltrane of the decks" - The Wire, April 1996

>"A John Coltrane of the decks" - The Wire, April 1996

doei! tp

hello, I've seen alot of dj spooky(not to be confused with Spooky the W.Orbit incarnation) for sale as of late (on this list and locally). I don't recall hearing much about his releases, I suppose I can assume that they aren't very good since people seem to be wanting to get rid of them... But anyway, I'm curious if anyone has any opinions/reviews of DJ Spooky's(Paul Miller right?) releases : Necropolis(I think this is basically mixing/spinning various material) and Songs of a Dead Dreamer(I'm not sure, but I think this is original material he made)... I'm sorry if this is redundant/has been mentioned on this list before. I know he was mentioned on that huge V.Voice/"Illbient" thread on the ambient list, but I didn't see much commentary on his stuff... thanx for your time and e np:mike and rich nr: The Varieties of Religious Experience-William James

On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, andy wrote:

quoted 11 lines I've seen alot of dj spooky(not to be confused with Spooky the W.Orbit

> I've seen alot of dj spooky(not to be confused with Spooky the W.Orbit > incarnation) for sale as of late (on this list and locally). > I don't recall hearing much about his releases, I suppose I can > assume that they aren't very good since people seem to be wanting to get > rid of them... But anyway, I'm curious if anyone has any opinions/reviews > of DJ Spooky's(Paul Miller right?) releases : Necropolis(I think this > is basically mixing/spinning various material) and Songs of a Dead > Dreamer(I'm not sure, but I think this is original material he made)... > I'm sorry if this is redundant/has been mentioned on this list before. > I know he was mentioned on that huge V.Voice/"Illbient" thread on the > ambient list, but I didn't see much commentary on his stuff...

My review can be found at http://www.io.org/~amichel/music/reviews.html I found his music to be rather intriguing...a sonic mesh of burroughs inspired sounds. 60's guitar drawl and laid back funky breaks pulled together by lush ambience and distorted feedback. You dig? Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

erm. well. with all this DJ spooky bashing going, i'll give my two cents. i just got viral sonata in the mail today (released under his real name, paul d miller). and so far, i'm really enjoying it. it's a lot better than songs of a dead dreamer (which isn't THAT bad but doesn't quite get my rookers off). i've never met the guy (had the chance to see him spin but passed up for a fight with my girlfriend that broke us up. i regret that one. but whining about missing ex-girlfriends isn't idm, so) so i don't know if he's arrogant or whatnot, but i think his music has some pretty fine moments. this viral sonata disc is pretty well-done so far. anyway. ------------------------------------------------- wells oliver : s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "perhaps all pleasure is relief" : w.s.b. -------------------------------------------------

wells wrote:

quoted 9 lines erm. well. with all this DJ spooky bashing going, i'll give my two cents. i

> erm. well. with all this DJ spooky bashing going, i'll give my two cents. i > just got viral sonata in the mail today (released under his real name, paul > d miller). and so far, i'm really enjoying it. it's a lot better than songs > of a dead dreamer (which isn't THAT bad but doesn't quite get my rookers > off). i've never met the guy (had the chance to see him spin but passed up > for a fight with my girlfriend that broke us up. i regret that one. but > whining about missing ex-girlfriends isn't idm, so) so i don't know if he's > arrogant or whatnot, but i think his music has some pretty fine moments. > this viral sonata disc is pretty well-done so far

Ok, just to clarify...I wasn't bashing his music. I was making a comment regarding his wack ass dj skills. brock. ps. If anyone in London wants to hook up with 'my' exgirlfriend (who dumped me this week), she's going over there in 8 days. She's young, smart, got black hair, beautiful, should be hanging with the noUturn crew and will be spinning at a few jungle clubs over there. She plays tech and dark. If anyone sees her, her name is Lisa. Go talk to her, she's cool (and doesn't bite, much...)

After hearing all the DJ Spooky bashing that's been going on here, it's nice to see that there are some fans of his on his list. The insults hurled at him here say more about the people saying it than it does about him: 'he sucks' (very intellectual), 'he only wants money' (unlike every other performer) and 'he has no fans' (except all the people I saw at his Anchorage gig this summer). On the other hand, the people saying good things about him seem a little more thoughtful in their comments and I don't see this as a coincidence. Yes, he theorizes a lot and his music isn't for everybody and so what? Those are pretty poor reasons to toss loads of bile around. I've read through a lot of what he's written and I've been impressed by his historical tie-in's of a lot of seemingly disparate material (Thomas Edison to Xenakis to Bambaataa). To be fair, I haven't gotten into SONATA but I thought that SONGS and his NECROPOLIS collection are really good: varied, atmospheric and challenging. Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever Warped Perspectives on All Types of Music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect

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quoted 7 lines From: Hary Walsh <hwalsh@shannon.tellabs.com>

> From: Hary Walsh <hwalsh@shannon.tellabs.com> > How available is this record? Does anyone know any sources for it? > Anyone willing to trade it? > > Hmm.... > MP3's... > -hjw

just for the record, the above mentioned 12" is impossible to find, it is rare, and almost safe to say, that if you don't have it, the only place you're going to find it is by trading another list member for it. or some other person that might post a trade/sale list someplace. and yes, it was mp3'ed, by bil and i, and the rest, well, im sure you've been reading the posts as to where the mp3 went... ADF=Automatic Document Feeder -kiya i am a copier. we are not all copiers.

You wrote:

quoted 3 lines -kiya

> -kiya > i am a copier. > we are not all copiers.

Is that supposed to be some sort of answer to my email to you? And why did you forward my private mail to the list? This is not the sort of response to a polite query that I am accustomed to from my fellow net people (not to mention idm-ers). I would not be asking you this in public had you not responded in public (Yes I would like an answer please) This is a public message though, and I would like to point out that my timing in emailing Kiya was probably a little innoportune, coming as it did some time _after_ the closure of his site. (I'm rather busy and was about 3 days behind onmy IDM mail at that point). It seems that my concerns over keeping links quiet were borne out by events. One large (non-idm) archive I know of is not actively linked anywhere on the web and the URL is not published even on related lists, much to the frustration of those who didn't read older announcements. Did no-one stop to think about how quickly WARP got wind of what was going on? The net is a public information exchange, and governmental and non-governmental organisations have access to every list and every forum and every archive going, so watch what you say chaps. Anyway it's a pity that things went the way they did, from both the perspective of a useful site being closed, to the slagging and ranting that has ensued, particularly some of the personal comments directed at Greg and WARP. I think behind it WARP are really defending the principle of copyright. This follows from much of what CiM has already said, but if unlicensed MP3 does not yet present a big threat to labels like WARP, you can be sure it will one day. By nipping it in the bud they are helping prevent greater difficulty in the future. If anyone still believes that WARP is some large impersonal concern with money it's only interest, then please re-think. Half a dozen or so people operating in an old ballroom, where the managers, artists and visitors all come and go on an informal basis, is more like it. I too don't doubt that Autechre were actually consulted about the decision. Hell, it's a personal operation on the part of Rob and Steve, which has grown into a modest-sized success. Sean is married to Chantal, and the couple met at WARP, where she worked and he was signed as an artist. When I was there a couple of years ago, the teddy suits from the Aphex video/shows were there, just lying around. The place was half empty, and I had to sit watching unreleased Aphex and Ae videos for an hour because Chantal's train was late. OK that was rambling a bit and before anyone says "what's this go to do with..." just go back to where I started. WARP is like a family, not some megabuck megacorp. BAck to the busines at hand Yes it's a shame for fans who "just want to hear" these difficult-to-find tracks, and yes it is hard work tracking down this stuff, but if you are really keen and really try, you will get them (and as many have pointed out, with the wealth of on-line stores and sale/trade lists active at any time, for anyone on the net it is considerably easier than for their non-connected peers). And there's still nothing to stop you doing a tape trade with another obliging listmember. ah well, another chapter passes I suppose. J ^ np: Kool FM Midlands (downstairs) Sean Deason - Razorback (here) Steady J aka James Skilton steady-j@geocities.com Autechre & SKAM discogs @ http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~sk393820 "I don' have any idea 'bout what's going on..."

On Fri, 22 May 1998, James Skilton wrote:

quoted 2 lines np: Kool FM Midlands (downstairs)

> np: Kool FM Midlands (downstairs) > Sean Deason - Razorback (here)

You know, I just pulled out Razorback and was playing it for folks and they were jaw-dropping. This record has amazing variety stylistically, but always a good ear for production and melody. I think this was WAY slept on in 97, at least in the US. Now Playing: Hot Butter "Popcorn" MP3 ;-)

At 02:21 PM 5/22/98 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 9 lines On Fri, 22 May 1998, James Skilton wrote:

>On Fri, 22 May 1998, James Skilton wrote: >> np: Kool FM Midlands (downstairs) >> Sean Deason - Razorback (here) > >You know, I just pulled out Razorback and was playing it for folks >and they were jaw-dropping. This record has amazing variety stylistically, >but always a good ear for production and melody. I think this was >WAY slept on in 97, at least in the US. >

I wholeheartedly agree about razorback. it's a real gem. but if like Razorback you MUST get the ep that preceded the album called Jupiter Sunrise. It has a much better mixs of "Vibe" and "Razorback" plus a few other gems not on the album. Another Deason masterpiece is his Freq album on the distance label called "Heaven." more excellent melodic techno, electronica and d&b. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

Been trying to figure out DJ Spooky's liner notes to the Xenakis "Kraanerg" disc off of Asphodel. can't. So, i'm just wondering, who is this Paul D. Miller guy? Where did he pick up the vocab and know-how? Just interested in the history behind him... (I missed the Wire issue feature...). Also, still looking for any info on the release of that Autechre/Zoviet*France show. Thanks, D.J. Khrushchev.

D.J. Khrushchev wrote:

quoted 4 lines Been trying to figure out DJ Spooky's liner notes to the Xenakis "Kraanerg"

> Been trying to figure out DJ Spooky's liner notes to the Xenakis "Kraanerg" > disc off of Asphodel. can't. So, i'm just wondering, who is this Paul D. > Miller guy? Where did he pick up the vocab and know-how? Just interested > in the history behind him... (I missed the Wire issue feature...).

go here: http://www.dfuse.com/the-wire/outfr.htmit has the article on Paul.d.m.

quoted 2 lines who is this Paul D.

>who is this Paul D. >Miller guy? Where did he pick up the vocab and know-how?

Well, he went to college and read books. And misinterpreted them and added 50 layers of pretension. And hung out with other like-minded pretentious fellows and added a few more layers of pretension to the mix. A lot of his music is great, but his writing and much of his recorded music is pure wank. I have very mixed feelings about him. Great self-promoter though. And he can do an amazing live set, a third of the time. Sam

-----Original Message----- From: Luke Keenan <lukek@insight-media.co.uk> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: 03 June 1998 00:44 Subject: (idm) vvm/speedranch

quoted 5 lines Map One: contaminated by technique - by members of this parish of

>Map One: contaminated by technique - by members of this parish of >course. Theres a high standard throughout, and there's enjoyment to >be had, but its all reminiscent/derivative of the well known. Its >easily said, but I've heard aphex twin, and autechre, and they are >difficult to improve upon. So why try?

Um...Stuart, help!! I think this was a point Adam raised in his review, that some/most of the tracks were similar to or heavily-influenced by more well known artists. As I can only speak for myself and not the other guys on the CD, I`ll say that I wasn`t trying to improve on any artist`s previous work, but rather to make *mine* the best it can be. No-one can help or choose what influences they have, and while I`m not going to blatantly steal from another track, I`ll readily use techniques pioneered by others in my own tracks. How original is the Aphex Twin anyway? Not very. And if, by drawing influences from others I actually branch off and come up with something different/original, then great. Chances are, if you spend all your time trying to come up with something totally original, you`ll end up with something totally shite. I`ll stand by every one of those tracks on Map One and defend them as utterly valid, thoughtful and release-worthy tracks. Some of them I might even think of as <gasp> pretty original. Anyway, it`s nine quid for 16 tracks, so what are you moaning about? :-) <---HEATsink--->

this post from "Heatsink" is probably the most interesting thing i've read in a while...

quoted 2 lines rather to make *mine* the best it can be. No-one can help or choose what

>rather to make *mine* the best it can be. No-one can help or choose what >influences they have, and while I`m not going to blatantly steal from

another

quoted 1 line track, I`ll readily use techniques pioneered by others in my own tracks.

>track, I`ll readily use techniques pioneered by others in my own tracks.

How i'm not sure if i'm understanding you right, but it has always seemed to me, consciously choosing "influences" is a natural stage in the making of an artist/musician - it usually leads to "adolescent posturing". it's outgrowing this attachment to one or two writers/musicians, or even say, a certain period/style, when an artist/musician becomes so-called "mature". you bring up an interesting point about "precursors", though, a word that has become indispensable in a critic's vocabulary. for example, naming a current-day musician's precursors - say, We for example - i'm sure we could all enumerate a heterogeneous list in which all resemble We in some way; however, if i'm not mistaken, not all of them would resemble each other. this second fact is the more significant. in each of those musicians listed, we would find We's "idiosyncrasy" to a greater or lesser degree, but if We had never formed and recorded some songs, we would have never perceived this quality; in other words, it would not exist. the poem "Fears and Scruples" by Browning foretells Kafka's work, but our reading of Kafka perceptibly sharpens and deflects our reading of the poem. Browning did not read it as we do now. get it? my basic point is that the word "precursors" should be cleansed of all connotations of polemics or rivalry, imho. the fact is that every writer/musician *creates* his own precursors. his work modifies our conception of the past, as it will modify the future (see either T.S. Eliot's "Tradition and The Individual Talent and/or "Points of View"). in this correlation the identity or plurality of the men involved is unimportant.

quoted 2 lines original is the Aphex Twin anyway? Not very. And if, by drawing influences

>original is the Aphex Twin anyway? Not very. And if, by drawing influences >from others I actually branch off and come up with something

different/original,

quoted 2 lines then great. Chances are, if you spend all your time trying to come up with

>then great. Chances are, if you spend all your time trying to come up with >something totally original, you`ll end up with something totally shite.

couldn't agree with you more. some of the most individual parts of a work of art/song are those which are the most traditional - and i don't feel that i'm taking a conservative standpoint. i've been sensing the increasing tendency to equate originality with perversity...not that i have a problem with the perverse... just a thought, please don't flame my mailbox (again, unless you're from Cambridge, MA). Dunc. p.s. next week, i'll tell you all the story of Ishmael Reed and the 18 year-old Victor Hernandez Cruz failing spanish class...

On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Heatsink wrote: ->rather to make *mine* the best it can be. No-one can help or choose what ->influences ->they have, and while I`m not going to blatantly steal from another track, ->I`ll ->readily use techniques pioneered by others in my own tracks. How original ->is the Aphex Twin anyway? Not very. So you are borrowing techniques from artists (such as aphex) who are unoriginal themselves? I don't think it is a very cool thing to borrow from someone and then turn around and call *them* unoriginal. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. ->And if, by drawing influences from ->others I actually branch off and come up with something different/original, ->then great. Chances are, if you spend all your time trying to come up with ->something totally original, you`ll end up with something totally shite. One person's shit is another person's gold. It's possible that something totally original will take a while to completely understand and appreciate (and it could seem like "total shite" at first). But at any rate, I would rather listen to someone spending all their time trying to come up with something original than someone copying someone who copied someone else (i'm NOT saying that this is what Map One is doing). ->I`ll stand by every one of those tracks on Map One and defend them as ->utterly valid, thoughtful and release-worthy tracks. Some of them I might ->even think of as <gasp> pretty original. Unfortunately, I haven't heard Map One yet (but all I have heard is good things, and I'm looking forward to hearing it), so take what I say with a grain of salt. respect, ______________________________________________________________________________ . . ..a n a g r a m a t c a t s d o t u c s c d o t e d u.. . . . . ..h y p e r t e x t t r a n s f e r p r o t o c o l.. . . ..u s e r s d o t c w n e t d o t c o m s l a s h a n a g r a m..

On 3 Jun 98 , Heatsink wrote:

quoted 14 lines -----Original Message-----

> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luke Keenan <lukek@insight-media.co.uk> > To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> > Date: 03 June 1998 00:44 > Subject: (idm) vvm/speedranch > > > >Map One: contaminated by technique - by members of this parish of > >course. Theres a high standard throughout, and there's enjoyment to > >be had, but its all reminiscent/derivative of the well known. Its > >easily said, but I've heard aphex twin, and autechre, and they are > >difficult to improve upon. So why try?

cheap shot - ok.

quoted 12 lines Um...Stuart, help!! I think this was a point Adam raised in his

> > Um...Stuart, help!! I think this was a point Adam raised in his > review, that some/most of the tracks were similar to or > heavily-influenced by more well known artists. As I can only speak > for myself and not the other guys on the CD, I`ll say that I wasn`t > trying to improve on any artist`s previous work, but rather to make > *mine* the best it can be. No-one can help or choose what > influences they have, and while I`m not going to blatantly steal > from another track, I`ll readily use techniques pioneered by others > in my own tracks. How original is the Aphex Twin anyway? Not very. > And if, by drawing influences from others I actually branch off and > come up with something different/original, then great.

I suppose the point I was trying to make is that I would rather hear more of your own input, wether it be good or bad. just to hear a track that makes me think 'what was that?', just something a little different. Originality isnt all, but its difficult to take the same melodies/rythmns/sounds and to come up with a killer track. Afx may not have dreamt the entire show up himself, but he's certainly inspired many. Right place and time? or talent, musical or otherwise.

quoted 3 lines Chances are,

> Chances are, > if you spend all your time trying to come up with something totally > original, you`ll end up with something totally shite.

There is always the aspect of trying too hard. There's little to gain from attempting to mutate for the sake of it, unless you're dissatisfied to start with.

quoted 4 lines I`ll stand by every one of those tracks on Map One and defend them

> > I`ll stand by every one of those tracks on Map One and defend them > as utterly valid, thoughtful and release-worthy tracks. Some of > them I might even think of as <gasp> pretty original.

I agree, Map One is a worthwhile project. It may be a little churlish of me to complain, but I wanted it to be superb. Fuck it, do what you do and enjoy doing it. I'll shut up now.

quoted 13 lines Anyway, it`s nine quid for 16 tracks, so what are you moaning about?

> > Anyway, it`s nine quid for 16 tracks, so what are you moaning about? > :-) > > <---HEATsink---> > > > > > > > >

On Wednesday, 03-Jun-98, Heatsink wrote [about Re: (idm) vvm/speedranch]:

quoted 2 lines then great. Chances are, if you spend all your time trying to come up with

>then great. Chances are, if you spend all your time trying to come up with >something totally original, you`ll end up with something totally shite.

yeah, like spooky's latest effort... sounds like a damn sample-cd :) speaking of which.. does anybody know anything about his collaboration with metallica (was it?) . is it any good? (closing his eyes tight in a defensive posture) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

I caught the last 15 minutes of his set at the winter music conference here in Miami. Really experimental. It sounded almost like an airport -- really interesting sound effects. He kept panning the speakers so it would go all the way around and then back again. At any rate, I don't anything by the man. Could somebody please point me in the direction of some of his better releases? I guess I'd prefer his ambient hip hop type stuff, but I won't rule out the more experimental and illbient stuff. Peace, Pedro Cevallos -- http://www.cat.net/~cevallos/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 4 lines speaking of which.. does anybody know anything about his

> speaking of which.. does anybody know anything about his > collaboration with metallica (was it?) . > > is it any good? (closing his eyes tight in a defensive posture)

Well, I think it's pretty good, but then, I am a Metallica fan. (ducking rotten vegetables) DJ Spooky has done two remixes of the Metallica classic "For Whom The Bell Tolls." One version appears on the Spawn soundtrack (which also has Metallica's Kirk Hammett jamming over Orbital's "Satan") and the other appears on Metallica's "The Memory Remains" single. They are both pretty twisted, very dubby and spacey, and if any vocals appear, they are from the chorus of the song. Unless you're a collector, I wouldn't say you needed both, and you're better off getting the Spawn soundtrack version. The other Metallimixes of potential interest to this list are Moby's remix of "Until It Sleeps" (blinding!), Download's remix of "Hero Of The Day" (oddly disappointing, about three minutes of interesting noises followed by the original song pretty much in its entirety with a few buzzes thrown in), and KMFDM's remix of "King Nothing" (decent if you like KMFDM, nothing spectacular). This makes it much easier to connect the metal world and the IDM world in any "Six Degrees Of..." game you might want to play (although Trent Reznor's remix of Megadeth's "Symphony Of Destruction" pretty much cemented that link already). -- Adam J Weitzman "Compared with Michael [Jordan], NewsEdge Corporation death and taxes are variables." http://www.newsedge.com - Bob Ryan, The Boston Globe http://www.newspage.com

On Monday, 08-Jun-98, Adam J Weitzman wrote [about Re: (idm) dj spooky]:

quoted 1 line GamePrg. wrote:

>GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 4 lines speaking of which.. does anybody know anything about his

>> speaking of which.. does anybody know anything about his >> collaboration with metallica (was it?) . >> >> is it any good? (closing his eyes tight in a defensive posture)

quoted 3 lines Well, I think it's pretty good, but then, I am a Metallica fan. (ducking

>Well, I think it's pretty good, but then, I am a Metallica fan. (ducking >rotten >vegetables)

well metallica is damn good musically, and I'll catch those veggies and throw 'em back... but.. I'm not sure about DJ Spoooky hehe :D

quoted 8 lines DJ Spooky has done two remixes of the Metallica classic "For Whom The Bell

>DJ Spooky has done two remixes of the Metallica classic "For Whom The Bell >Tolls." One version appears on the Spawn soundtrack (which also has >Metallica's >Kirk Hammett jamming over Orbital's "Satan") and the other appears on >Metallica's "The Memory Remains" single. They are both pretty twisted, very >dubby and spacey, and if any vocals appear, they are from the chorus of the >song. Unless you're a collector, I wouldn't say you needed both, and you're >better off getting the Spawn soundtrack version.

they available on vinyl?

quoted 2 lines This makes it much easier to connect the metal world and the IDM world in any

>This makes it much easier to connect the metal world and the IDM world in any >"Six Degrees Of..." game you might want to play (although Trent Reznor's

remix

quoted 2 lines of Megadeth's "Symphony Of Destruction" pretty much cemented that link

>of Megadeth's "Symphony Of Destruction" pretty much cemented that link >already).

well Trent Reznor isn't no where near IDM imao. (= in my arrogant opinion) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:55:21 EST4EDT "GamePrg." <buh@clark.net> writes:

quoted 4 lines well Trent Reznor isn't no where near IDM imao. (= in my arrogant

> >well Trent Reznor isn't no where near IDM imao. (= in my arrogant >opinion) >

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Has anyone heard the new Spooky "Subliminal Minded" EP? Thoughts or comments? Is it experimental or more straight up downtempo? Also, how about the "File Under Futurism" collaboration album he released recently also? Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org