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1996-04-28 06:57grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas lee anderson horne (idm) phat lab nightmare
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1997-04-21 18:22Michael Peter Stein (idm) Vibert mixup!
├─ 1997-04-21 19:14juicyjazzguy (idm) Phat Lab Nightmare
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1996-04-28 06:57grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas lee anderson horneWow. It's Sunday morning at 2 am, and I just finished listening to Wagon Christ's _Phat La
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Wow. It's Sunday morning at 2 am, and I just finished listening to Wagon Christ's _Phat Lab Nightmare_ straight through for the first time. A deliciously weird and eerie composition. I poo-poohed it upon first listen a few months ago; discounting it as just a bunch of bleeps, moans, and farts. But I gave it one more chance tonight, and I'm terribly satisfied. _panorak_ did it for me. Plus, the copy I have was badly pressed, so there was a bunch of pops + such that added to the spooky feel. I know that this album is two years old, but I wanted to add my two sticky cents. It's hard for me to decide, which side of Luke Vibert do I enjoy the most? His dark, ambient, deviant side, or his fawnky, trippy, hiphopjazzandjungle side. Does anyone on the list own pln? I'm interested in hearing some other thoughts about this. Tonight was truly liberating; I've never heard anything like this before, hence my babbling. know this album .grant.h.horne .http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/ .ring piece.wagon christ
1996-04-29 15:26Tim Fothegill F. Ciencias Dpto. BiologiaOn Sun, 28 Apr 1996, grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas lee an
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On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas lee anderson horne wrote:
quoted 4 lines Does anyone on the list own pln? I'm interested in hearing some other thoughts> Does anyone on the list own pln? I'm interested in hearing some other thoughts > about this. Tonight was truly liberating; I've never heard anything like this > before, hence my babbling. >
I've had my copy for a while now and although I don't listen to it a lot it is still a very good album. Very spooky. My copy is vinyl and has the same pops and craks. I just figured it was because it's vinyl. Certainly adds to the eerie feel of it.
quoted 5 lines know this album> know this album > .grant.h.horne > .http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/ > .ring piece.wagon christ >
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1996-04-29 12:34Fresh/Gonzi Merchan> Does anyone on the list own pln? I'm interested in hearing some >other thoughts about th
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quoted 3 lines Does anyone on the list own pln? I'm interested in hearing some> Does anyone on the list own pln? I'm interested in hearing some >other thoughts about this. Tonight was truly liberating; I've >never heard anything like this before, hence my babbling.
How difficult is it to find this? Is this still in print? I've never seen a copy.... /""'' /"'RESH Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA
1996-04-29 21:15grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas lee anderson horne>> Does anyone on the list own pln? >How difficult is it to find this? Is this still in pr
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quoted 3 lines Does anyone on the list own pln?>> Does anyone on the list own pln? >How difficult is it to find this? Is this still in print? I've >never seen a copy....
I found it at a house music record store in December. The platters were in so-so condition [mahadelic, the first band on the a-side, sound's real, *real* dirty] + they didn't have those nifty paper sleves. I successfully weasled the price down from $15 to $7. A majority of the tracks are amazing, regardless of the sound quality. I was expecting the same kind of hip-hoppiness from this release, but there's hardly a smattering of the Throbbing Pouch or A Polished Solid sound. I don't know if it's still in print, being that Alan has it in his vinyl want list. And we all know he can get his greasy mits on anyhting. .grant.h.horne .http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/
1996-04-29 21:38CiMAt 16:15 29/04/96 -0500, grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas wr
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At 16:15 29/04/96 -0500, grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas wrote:
quoted 5 lines A majority of the tracks are amazing, regardless of the sound> >A majority of the tracks are amazing, regardless of the sound >quality. I was expecting the same kind of hip-hoppiness from this >release, but there's hardly a smattering of the Throbbing Pouch or >A Polished Solid sound.
It's probably been mentioned before but Vibert has all but disowned _Phat Lab_ - from what I remember from an interview he gave, he did _Phat_ mainly because Rising High asked him for a dark ambient album or something and he needed the cash (fair enough :). The breakbeat slant (whether tr*p-hop or Plug style drum'n'bass) seems to be his preferred musical slant. OnNow: The Herbert triple LP on Phono - warm house with a twist. || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/
1996-04-29 21:58grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas lee anderson horne>It's probably been mentioned before but Vibert has all but disowned _Phat >Lab_ - from wh
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quoted 5 lines It's probably been mentioned before but Vibert has all but disowned _Phat>It's probably been mentioned before but Vibert has all but disowned _Phat >Lab_ - from what I remember from an interview he gave, he did _Phat_ mainly >because Rising High asked him for a dark ambient album or something and he >needed the cash (fair enough :). The breakbeat slant (whether tr*p-hop or >Plug style drum'n'bass) seems to be his preferred musical slant.
Are there any Vibert recordings that pre-date _Phat Lab Nightmare_? I don't know where _Weirs_ fits in chronologically within his discography. I just find it odd that _Phat_ sounds totally different from his more recent stuff. I guess the Rising High situation was one of the reasons why. .grant.h.horne .http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/
1996-04-29 22:17CiMAt 16:58 29/04/96 -0500, grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas wr
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At 16:58 29/04/96 -0500, grant hayden xavier richard david truett francis mckenna salas wrote:
quoted 1 line Are there any Vibert recordings that pre-date _Phat Lab Nightmare_?>Are there any Vibert recordings that pre-date _Phat Lab Nightmare_?
Yeah - the _Sunset Boulevard_ 12" on Rising High. I think this is his first release and it's pretty good. Sharp house but always with that jazz element he does so well. Theres a whining, lead sound on _Lapping up Space Milk_ (I think) thats just on the right side of cheese - quite beautiful. OnNow: Tom Churchill : _Drum and Space 3_ mixtape Wicked tracks + smart mixing = excellent mixtape! || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/
1996-05-01 19:05g3This is one of my posts from a few days back which didn't get 'through' for some reason. >
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This is one of my posts from a few days back which didn't get 'through' for some reason.
quoted 8 lines Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:54:23 +0100>Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:54:23 +0100 >To: idm >From: g3 <g3@bleep.org> >Subject: Re: (idm) phat lab nightmare > >At 01:57 28/04/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>Does anyone on the list own pln? I'm interested in hearing some other
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quoted 6 lines about this. Tonight was truly liberating; I've never heard anything like this>>about this. Tonight was truly liberating; I've never heard anything like this >>before, hence my babbling. > >it's fucking awesome but I wish I had a CD copy as it's rather, urhm, silent. > >And very very dark.
There are lot's of vinyl copies still floating around in Soho btw for people intersted.
quoted 3 lines g.> >g. >
1997-04-21 18:22Michael Peter SteinSorry about the Vibert mixup, a store on-line had the CD-single for "A Polished Sound" lis
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Sorry about the Vibert mixup, a store on-line had the CD-single for "A Polished Sound" listed as "International Air" [sic], so I thought it was a new single. My mistake. But thanks for the reviews though? I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare to THROBBING POUCH? I've got latter, but not the former. -Mike
1997-04-21 19:14juicyjazzguy>I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare >to THROBBING
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quoted 2 lines I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare>I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare >to THROBBING POUCH? I've got latter, but not the former.
Phat Lab Nightmare is very different stylistically. Very cold, sparce, and sometimes beatless. You can still pick out bits of Vibert flavor, especially when it comes to analog drum programming. From what I've been able to sort out, Vibert recorded this album for Rising High because RH wanted an ambient record. Vibert knew he wasn't an 'ambient artist' in the vein that RH wanted, but recorded the LP to pay the bills. PLN is the musical equivalent of essay exams in school. I've noticed that when I have to exhibit what I've learned in an essay exam [rather than a standardized exam], I'm almost 'forced' to give a reasonably good answer, even when I have no idea what I'm talking about. In this case, Vibert is the student, Rising High is the professor, Ambient is the subject of the exam, and Phat Lab Nightmare is an A+. This is a very fresh record; some people identify it closely to SAW85-92 as a classic that has no real equal. It's not like Vibert's other hiphop/drum'n'bass material. It's just different.... Mahadelic (12.54) Very dark synths squeal and whine quietly. A vibe-like instrument attempts to create a melody, building it one note at a time. Tribal drums develop. The squealing goes away, leaving us with the drums. Various parts of the song fade in and out. A faint moan can be heard. Then - nothing. Glass World (12.44) Mid-range synth growls to the beat of some percussive tip-taping. An ambient swooning melody comes in. A low-range hum joins in. Strange acid farting. This reminds me of some of the early material produced by Taylor Deupree and Savvas Ystatis as SETI. Phat Lab. Nightmare (13.33) Smooth, somewhat funky acid melody starts of the track, accompanied by a glassy synth. Mid-tempo hiphop beat that becomes more and more complicated. Everything builds and the whole track becomes hectic, only to fade into some more electronic groaning. Aerhaart; From Within (6.00) Beatless, analog moaning. Every now and again a distorted beat interrupts the calm. Somewhat frightening melody spooks things a little. Then it spooks things alot. _From Within_ gives me the feeling that I'm a character in one of those horror flicks I watched on Saturday afternoon when the cartoons had ended. Very disturbing track. Aerhaart; Ahead (9.23) The beat that disrupted _From Within_ becomes more uniform. A distant vocal sample becomes louder and louder, changing pitch occasionally. A mid-tempo techno beat comes in, followed by a more relaxed version of _From Within_'s spooky acid melody. _Ahead_ builds into something that could be found on the _Sunset Blvd_ EP. A cold, downtempo techno track. My favorite on the LP. Aerhaart; Barrier (7.44) More synth whining. A sampled drum loop (about 60 bpm) is given a slow EQ sweep. We hear the vocalist from _Ahead_, only in a much slower pitch. Fantastic bass line creeps in. A precursor to the _Throbbing Pouch_ material. Panorak (12.43) My favorite after _Barrier_. Has the most hiphop appeal. Hiphop melody and claps start the tune. Lots of soft flanging and phasing. Some slapping on the keys adds a jazzy flavor. Dances With Francis (4.34) More mid tempo hiphop beats, very distinct analog melody. Kind of silly in a Mike P way. Somewhat out of place on the LP, but not a throwaway track. This is a great LP! Lots of progression to it. Tunes never stay in one place for too long. Very 'electronic' sounding; not the type of sampledelica we're used to with the Plug material, or even _Throbbing Pouch_. Very cold, but very human. And very Vibert. If you can find it - snap it up! I'd really like to see Reznor repress this for the US as well. grant.h.horne http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/
1997-04-21 18:17s.f.w.d.> >I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare > >to THROB
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quoted 8 lines I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare> >I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare > >to THROBBING POUCH? I've got latter, but not the former. > >Phat Lab Nightmare is an > A+. > > If you can find it - snap it up! I'd really like to see Reznor repress this for > the US as well.
I agree with the above... had never heard Wagon Christ aside from Fresh's RA show, but snatched up Phat Lab from Modern Music... not at all what I expected... I don't really consider it 'ambient' by my standards, but I can see where it could be... As much as I would like to NOT see it repressed (hey, I spent $25 bucks on this... if it is it'll be available for $12.99... you only want things repressed if you can't find them,right=), it'd be cool if they did its really a fucking excellent album... __________________________________________ sfwd@sonic.net wasted time in mass abundance
1997-04-22 08:29Daniel LondonThis may be old news but there is a new single "Do Unto" scheduled for 9th June follows on
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This may be old news but there is a new single "Do Unto" scheduled for 9th June follows on 30th June by his debut Luke Vibert album "Big Soup", both of which are comming on Mo'Wax..
quoted 10 lines Sorry about the Vibert mixup, a store on-line had the CD-single for "A Polished> > Sorry about the Vibert mixup, a store on-line had the CD-single for "A Polished > Sound" listed as "International Air" [sic], so I thought it was a new > single. My mistake. But thanks for the reviews though? > > I guess I've got another Luke question: how does PHAT LAB NIGHTMARE compare > to THROBBING POUCH? I've got latter, but not the former. > > -Mike >