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[this is version 6.2, the heavily edited, really rather polite one] At 17:15 01/04/96 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines Grant @ Rephlex sez:

> > Grant @ Rephlex sez:

quoted 4 lines Advertising rarely has a positive effect on me anymore, but it can

> Advertising rarely has a positive effect on me anymore, but it can >have one hell of a negative effect. Plus, I don't care how good the album >is, drawing parallels with Public Enemy and Brian Eno at the same time >sets my bullshit filters off.

this was clearly not an advert you moron. and the analogy refers to people who are(were) the best(landmarks) in their field. draw your own conclusion.

quoted 4 lines (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are

> (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are >still important, and I'm young enough to know that. It's not a matter of >age, it's a matter of clear communication and pride in what you put forth >to the world.)

fgck off. g.

I find these 2 responses *extremely* disturbing. Get sorted, both of you. g303 writes:

quoted 1 line [this is version 6.2, the heavily edited, really rather polite one]

> [this is version 6.2, the heavily edited, really rather polite one]

How about the "out of character for g303, really rather distateful one"?

quoted 1 line This was clearly not an advert you moron. And the analogy refers to people

> This was clearly not an advert you moron. And the analogy refers to people

Calling someone a "moron" is simply Not On. And it was hype, pure and simple. Hype is certainly a form of advert ...

quoted 1 line who are(were) the best(landmarks) in their field. Draw your own conclusion.

> who are(were) the best(landmarks) in their field. Draw your own conclusion.

My own conclusion is that Chick Corea and Prince (save for "Gett Off" [sic]) are utter wank rubbish. "best" is a subjective experience, y'know?

quoted 6 lines (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are

>> (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are >> still important, and I'm young enough to know that. It's not a matter of >> age, it's a matter of clear communication and pride in what you put forth >> to the world.) > > fgck off.

I see nothing in the previous paragraph to cause you to tell him to "fuck off" (however you choose to spell it) in a public forum. Andrew/Ren8sance writes:

quoted 1 line The word "ignoramus" comes too [sic] mind.

> The word "ignoramus" comes too [sic] mind.

See above. Put a sock in it.

quoted 2 lines It is absurd to try and ridicule

> It is absurd to try and ridicule > someone just because you happen not to have the same musical tastes.

I thought he was taking the piss out of a big bag of wind. (An oftentimes extremely sarcastic and condescending bag of wind too, I might add.)

quoted 4 lines Anyone who can recognize the genius in not only AFX's work, but also Prince's

> Anyone who can recognize the genius in not only AFX's work, but also Prince's > and Eno's as well (not to mention others) has so many legs up on you and your > narrow-mindedness that you might as well be speaking Berber than talking > about techno and idm.

Oh noooo, I guess because I think TAFKA Prince is mostly rubbish with an occasional good track that I must be a narrow-minded heathen who doesn't recognize his true genius. Boo hoo. I consider it far more narrow-minded to ignore the fact that music is a *SUBJECTIVE* experience that's completely different from one person to the next, based on their framework, their context, and the neurons firing in their brains. THAT is why "THIS IS THE FOOKIN' GREATEST MAAAAAN" rings the Bullshit Detectors, my friends. Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist. - Greg

On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 2 lines Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist.

> Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist. >

When a guy half way across the world whom you've never met can make music that you and thousands of other people love, its clear that "great music" is something that extends far beyond the end of your fist. That statement is an insult to all musicians.

quoted 7 lines On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote: > >> Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist. > > When a guy half way across the world whom you've never met can make music > that you and thousands of other people love, its clear that "great music" > is something that extends far beyond the end of your fist.

*Strikes palm to forehead* What the heck does the term "great music" have to do with what I said? Since you didn't get it, I'll repeat: Music is a SUBJECTIVE experience, perhaps *the* most subjective experience there is, alongside art appreciation. :-) If you, Arjun, say "The Partridge Family Album is the GREATEST ALBUM EVER RELEASED BY ANY LABEL", that use of the word "greatest" extends no further than my fist. And similarly, *my* use of the word "greatest" extends no further than *your* fist. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the term "great music". In short, let's keep the hyperbole to a minimum and get on with it. Enough of this non-thread ... - Greg

At 00:36 02/04/96 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 1 line I find these 2 responses *extremely* disturbing. Get sorted, both of you.

>I find these 2 responses *extremely* disturbing. Get sorted, both of you.

the above sentence really *is* cause for some serious abuse, but... What is disturbing is that several (hundred?) people despite probably having read all of rephlex posts, managed to misinterpret what the post had to say in the most profoundly frustrating and saddening fashion. rephlex has subsequently elaborated on the reasons for the original post and that post just about covered the reasons why I have stuck my neck out too, something I vowed never to do publicly since joining warp for fear of misinterpretation by people who don't have the whole picture. but i find it hard to bottle it in sometimes. g.

the squarepusher album is wonderful.