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quoted 10 lines i think whoever booked this show could have found a better venue than the

>i think whoever booked this show could have found a better venue than the >troub., but i honestly don't think either of these acts would really appeal >to the typical x'ing pacifier-sucker. i think a place like luna park would >have been a better choice. laika played an incredible show there and >people responded and grooved and DANCED. granted they aren't totally IDM, >but hey did use keyboards, sequences. > > >david *+* >

1. Concerts mixed with raves *are* very possible. Witness the Freaky Chakra/Single Cell Orchestra tour, which stopped in SoCal at the Ventura Theatre. Great space, great show. Or Orbital at the Shrine for Millenium II. 2. While the Troubadour is a surprising choice, it's no entirely idiotic. Let's forget its hair farmer heritage for a second, and consider the alternatives. Dragonfly? The main room is too small. Palace? Too large (unless Autechre can draw 1,500 people.) Same goes for the Shrine. The Alligator Lounge? Not a bad idea. House of Blues? The security can be a bitch, and dealing with the club management can be extremely annoying. Roxy/Whisky? Gimme a break. What's left? Hollywood Moguls wouldn't be bad. But LunaPark? Any night I can avoid going to that stuffy, industry-infested, elitist yuppie-hang is a good night. 3. I don't care where they're playing, as long as they're happy with their accomodations. That's what counts here. As long as the club management/sound people/security people treat them right, then we'll all be treated to a wonderful night. -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!

quoted 30 lines 2. While the Troubadour is a surprising choice, it's no entirely idiotic.

>>2. While the Troubadour is a surprising choice, it's no entirely idiotic. >>Let's forget its hair farmer heritage for a second, and consider the >>alternatives. Dragonfly? The main room is too small. Palace? Too large >>(unless Autechre can draw 1,500 people.) Same goes for the Shrine. The >>Alligator Lounge? Not a bad idea. House of Blues? The security can be a >>bitch, and dealing with the club management can be extremely annoying. >>Roxy/Whisky? Gimme a break. What's left? Hollywood Moguls wouldn't be bad. >>But LunaPark? Any night I can avoid going to that stuffy, >>industry-infested, elitist yuppie-hang is a good night. > >i originally stated that i thought the troubador was a better choice than a >rave. don't get me wrong about the troub. > >i've only been to luna park once (for laika) and i had a pleasant evening. >it is l.a., so almost any club, or at least all the above mentioned ones, >are invaribly gonna be "stuffy and industry-infested" to some extent. > >i honestly don't think autechre and STC will draw that many people. it >only takes a visit to your local l.a. dance store and look at what is >selling. i don't want to start any flames w/ this, but you gotta admit >that it is the josh winx, dj icee, electroliners, bassbin twins etc... >that are selling like crazy, not what mostly get's discussed on this list. >hell dmc still has old b12, warp and fax 12"'s sitting there for what must >be at least 2 years now, or at least the last time i went up there (i live >in san diego). > > >david *+* > >

Sorry if I had a flaming tone. Didn't mean to. I was responding to all the various pro and con messages regarding a club event rather than a rave event. You're absolutely right that this bill will only draw about 500 people on its own, since there aren't any "name" DJs attached. But Freaky Chakra/Single Cell Orchestra pulled this off much more elegantly by booking the Ventura Theater, for example. I know that's even farther North for you San Diegans, but the extra drive would be worth it. That said, I do give The Troub credit for booking this gig. It shows they're trying real hard to break out of their pure guitar rock prison. -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!

quoted 8 lines 2. While the Troubadour is a surprising choice, it's no entirely idiotic.

>>> 2. While the Troubadour is a surprising choice, it's no entirely idiotic. >> >> I honestly don't think Autechre and STC will draw that many people. > > You're absolutely right that this bill will only draw about 500 > people on its own, since there aren't any "name" DJs attached. But Freaky > Chakra/Single Cell Orchestra pulled this off much more elegantly by booking > the Ventura Theater, for example.

(I hate to draw this thread out, which I'm sure is REALLY interesting to our IDM readership in, say, Finland (-: But ... ) Philip, in a way you're just reinforcing my point. The Freaky Chakra/SCO event was *not* billed as a FC/SCO "concert" or "event" or whatnot, it was a *party* officially thrown as an anniversary party for a local LA club magazine. That made it a *rave* in my eyes, which just happened to be thrown in a more conventional venue than most. I saw plenty of X'd-out ravers (OK, so maybe they weren't 16 and they didn't all have pacifiers (-: ) at that event, btw. My point being that Freaky Chakra & Single Cell Orchestra probably wouldn't have drawn that many people on their own, certainly not as part of some "concert"-type event held at the Troubador - but as part of a more-or-less rave event, they were exposed to a much larger audience, and as such, they went down a storm. In a vain attempt to keep this IDM-related, there's a parallel "all-IDM night" thread going. Recall that the High Priestess of IDM and vrave, Bella, went to just such a night in London not too far back and said there was only about 75 people there, and that it was kinda boring. If I was a performer and someone came to me and said "Well, we can book you at this dingy little club and maybe we'll get 150 people, of which 125 or so will be the converted and 25 or so will be the curious or unknowing; *or* we can book you at this rave that might have up to 1000 people, but only 100 or less of the converted 'cuz the other fans refuse to go to raves", I know which one I'd choose. Gimme 900 potential new fans over the loss of 25-50 stay-at-homes anyday. - Greg