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Re: REVIEW: Omni Trio "Music for the Next Milleneum"

quoted 5 lines WARNING: If you're one of those people that doesn't want to read

>WARNING: If you're one of those people that doesn't want to read >about jungle and breaks on the IDM list, kill this article now >rather than flaming me. I bring this disk up for discussion because >there is some hype about this record being 'intelligent' jungle, >which, if it is the case, is worth consideration on IDM.

i myself am sick to death of all the 'intelligent' or 'ambient' jungle nonsense. i wish it would stop. make it go away! make it go away! it shouldn't take the 'intelligent' tag to make you finally listen to a form of music, which seems to be what most people who are finally getting into jungle now were waiting for all along. i keep wondering when 'intelligent gabber' will come along so they can better market it for the masses.

quoted 1 line Still with me? OK.

>Still with me? OK.

more or less.

quoted 5 lines I have been following the jungle/drum&bass whatever thing now for

>I have been following the jungle/drum&bass whatever thing now for >about a year, and it has been a real trial. I've bought and >sold back the two Jungle Comps that came out last year (History >of our World, Law of the Jungle) because they seemed to, well, suck >rocks hard.

'history of the world' was not jungle. it was total hardcore, happy stuff. smiley stuff. ravey stuff. 'law of the jungle' was the sound of one label. just one label. there are a lot of other good record labels that have different sounds. i kinda like 'law of the jungle' but it does get old fast. like all ragga.

quoted 3 lines The thing about it is that there is a lot to love about jungle: it is

>The thing about it is that there is a lot to love about jungle: it is >fast, wild, fragmented, and funky. At it's best it's a real roller >coast ride.

yes. exactly.

quoted 3 lines There is also a lot to hate about jungle: formulaic production, lo-fi

>There is also a lot to hate about jungle: formulaic production, lo-fi >production, annoying diva wails, and sound so chopped up and >fragmentary as to be aimless.

true.

quoted 5 lines The Omni Trio comes billed as the best of breed. Is it? Well I have

>The Omni Trio comes billed as the best of breed. Is it? Well I have >mixed feelings. I played drop the needle (if this is the right >expression with a CD) with a friend this weekend and it didn't sound >that great -- if you just skip around randomly, everything about >jungle that's annoying is there in spades.

omni trio is perhaps the best in his style. the uplifting-strings- diva-drum-n-bass-what-have-you style. i think it is a good album. not as great as i had hoped, but very good. rolling heights, mystic stepper, alien creed are great tunes. the rest of it is just good.

quoted 9 lines But since I blew 15 buck on it I've been giving it another chance.

>But since I blew 15 buck on it I've been giving it another chance. >And I think that there are cuts on this that warrent some close >listening. "Shadowplay" has the piano thing going, and the diva, but >it has a nice melody that comes in and out, and at the end you feel >as though you've gone somewhere. The annoying thing about divas >is if they never shut up. In this song she's down in the mix, >and the repetition of the same sample over the chorus works -- it >becomes a sound that you hear as an another instrument in the fix >rather than someone singing.

if you don't like the vocals, you don't like the vocals.

quoted 2 lines I also like the jazzy progression in 'Living for the Future', though

>I also like the jazzy progression in 'Living for the Future', though >the intro voice may put you off for starters.

quoted 3 lines All through this record there are patches of very careful, subtle

>All through this record there are patches of very careful, subtle >breaks. But often they are surrounded by little pastiche melodies of >the sort that irritate the fuck out of you in shit techno.

uh, i like melodies. i think the thing i tend to dislike in most jungle is the extreme lack of melody (don't tell me the melody is in the bass line, that's bollocks).

quoted 5 lines So what's the verdict? I dunno. If you like jungle in general, this

>So what's the verdict? I dunno. If you like jungle in general, this >record is a cut above most of the genre, but it hasn't totally broken >the straightjacket of the style; when they do there are patches >of pure glory. If jungle mostly just irritates you, then you should >save your sheckels for something else.

actually, i remember when omni trio was drum n bass and categorically eliminated from the jungle label. that wasn't too long ago. now that everything's been termed jungle, oh well. i wouldn't be so quick to deem it a cut above the genre either. you said so yourself that you haven't heard that much.

quoted 3 lines As an intro to the genre, you could do worse, but perhaps you could

>As an intro to the genre, you could do worse, but perhaps you could >do better as well -- I like 'Jungle Tekno 4' quite a bit, and it >covers a pretty broad territory.

*sigh* i've been mentioning these albums for so long. 4 hero 'parellel universe', omni trio...the 4 hero album is possibly more of what IDM'ers are seeking. the new guy called gerald is apparently one of thebest albums yet, and i am happy that e/r has just gotten it for me. as for the rest of the better side of jungle, you will never find it readily on cd. that is just a sad fact of life. either buy vinyl, or suffer. -- o _/,_ . /o...\__// fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu \_'__/``\` \`

On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Ryan G. Pals wrote:

quoted 2 lines 'history of the world' was not jungle. it was total hardcore, happy

> 'history of the world' was not jungle. it was total hardcore, happy > stuff. smiley stuff. ravey stuff.

and badly mixed too - if i were DB i'd be embarrassed to have my name on that. The music on it was fabu (even if each track is only on for a fucking minute and a half) but the mixing was downright *weak*. Luckily DB makes up for it on his latest mixed venture 'acid resistant' (on sm:)e), nice hard serious acid business and mixed well..i'd say DB should stay away from breaks if i hadn't heard him spin - he's pretty durn good...the highlight of the last set i saw him spin was him mixing 'The Bouncer' and 'Energy Flash' back and forth and at the same time - the two tracks sounded *amazing* together. He gets the serious two big ups for dat..:D mikebee

quoted 5 lines 'law of the jungle' was the sound of one label. just one label. there

> > 'law of the jungle' was the sound of one label. just one label. there > are a lot of other good record labels that have different sounds. i > kinda like 'law of the jungle' but it does get old fast. like all > ragga.

mmhmm. ragga (or true 'jungle' if you want) gets on my nerves and i find it infinitely boring. 'Law of the Jungle' was a complete bore.

quoted 5 lines *sigh*

> *sigh* > i've been mentioning these albums for so long. 4 hero 'parellel universe', > omni trio...the 4 hero album is possibly more of what IDM'ers are seeking. > the new guy called gerald is apparently one of thebest albums yet, and > i am happy that e/r has just gotten it for me.

yeh, second on that 4 hero recommendation and a BIG confirmation on the A Guy Called Gerald album..i heard it in a shop and and it is *amazing* - completely innovative and truly pushing jungle in new directions. when i was told what the incredible sounds coming from the speakers were, i was like, 'woooooooaaaaah.' - i still don't have a copy of this but i am *dying* to get one.. mikebee

quoted 2 lines i keep wondering when 'intelligent gabber' will come along so they

>i keep wondering when 'intelligent gabber' will come along so they >can better market it for the masses.

Haven't you seen it yet ? I have.. Used to describe some loud stuff Underworld made and of cauz' to describe some stuff by AFX... Furthurmore we now have "Happy Hardcore", which leaves me wondering when people will start talking about "Dark Club". I have a proposal: "Intelligent Garage Jazz": first track to fit into that category: The Nervous Track - Nu Yorican Soul (Masters At Work, actually) I still think all the labels mean *nothing* Love, AA P.S. Ryan, sorry you see this twice, xcuse me.... Allert Aalders - Big Time Concepts |"When you eliminate the improbable allert@knoware.nl | whatever remains, however impossible | must be the truth" - Svlad Cjelli

quoted 24 lines Re: REVIEW: Omni Trio "Music for the Next Milleneum"

>Re: REVIEW: Omni Trio "Music for the Next Milleneum" > >i think it is a good album. not as great as i had hoped, but very good. >rolling heights, mystic stepper, alien creed are great tunes. the rest >of it is just good. > >>But since I blew 15 buck on it I've been giving it another chance. >>And I think that there are cuts on this that warrent some close >>listening. "Shadowplay" has the piano thing going, and the diva, but >>it has a nice melody that comes in and out, and at the end you feel >>as though you've gone somewhere. The annoying thing about divas >>is if they never shut up. In this song she's down in the mix, >>and the repetition of the same sample over the chorus works -- it >>becomes a sound that you hear as an another instrument in the fix >>rather than someone singing. > >>I also like the jazzy progression in 'Living for the Future', though >>the intro voice may put you off for starters. > >>So what's the verdict? I dunno. If you like jungle in general, this >>record is a cut above most of the genre, but it hasn't totally broken >>the straightjacket of the style; when they do there are patches >>of pure glory. If jungle mostly just irritates you, then you should >>save your sheckels for something else.

I have this CD as well, and I think some of the tracks are quite good even in an IDM way. Has anyone heard the Omini Trio album The Deepest Cut (Vol. I) on Moving Shadow? If so could someone give a review or tell us what it's like? Damon Visit the new improved Biopages http://www.du.edu/~dhaley finger: dhaley@du.edu

.:damon [bioplay] writes

quoted 2 lines Has anyone heard the Omini Trio album The Deepest Cut (Vol. I) on Moving

> Has anyone heard the Omini Trio album The Deepest Cut (Vol. I) on Moving > Shadow? If so could someone give a review or tell us what it's like?

'deepest cut volume 1' is the same album as the domestic omni trio album on sm:)e. btw, if anyone wants to get their hands on 'deep' jungle, check the following labels : photek odyssee deep jungle looking good good looking precious materials (on the jazzy tip) metalheads good luck. .. damian / dieselboy .. three the hard way

Bioplay said:

quoted 1 line Re: REVIEW: Omni Trio "Music for the Next Milleneum"

> >Re: REVIEW: Omni Trio "Music for the Next Milleneum"

quoted 2 lines Has anyone heard the Omini Trio album The Deepest Cut (Vol. I) on Moving=20

> Has anyone heard the Omini Trio album The Deepest Cut (Vol. I) on Moving=20 > Shadow? If so could someone give a review or tell us what it's like?

it's the same album with a different title. i interviewed him and he would like people to know he didn't choose the title on the sm:)e release. ____ Hug Your Waistline to the Bassline Tamara Palmer trance@netcom.com http://hyperreal.com/~urb Women Respond to Bass

On Sun, 1 Oct 1995 intone@warwick.net wrote:

quoted 1 line Anyone head the Omni Trio CD on Sm:le? Any good?

> Anyone head the Omni Trio CD on Sm:le? Any good?

As far as I'm aware, its an expanded version of the _Deepest Cut_ LP on Moving Shadow. And if this is the case, what you'll get is melodious, "happy" jungle. The beats are great, if a little clinical at times, and the anthemic strings and female vocal snatches are a throwback to the 'good old' rave days in the UK. Its a good LP but not a landmark jungle release IMHO. Definitely worth checking though - give it a listen on the shop decks first. || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

Paul Rafanello asked -

quoted 1 line Anyone head the Omni Trio CD on Sm:le? Any good?

> Anyone head the Omni Trio CD on Sm:le? Any good?

Um, I've got it and... ehh... "Renegade Snares" is, of course, brilliant, and "Living For The Future" was pretty good, too (that middle breakdown is fantastic), but for the most part I couldn't hack all the happy wailing divas and simplistic plinking piano melodies -- after about 3 tracks the disc starts repeating itself and gets pretty tedious. -- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com born freeke <A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>