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1995-09-26 15:49Robert P. BeveridgePardon the ignorance; what, exactly, are lock grooves? Thinking of picking up a limited ed

From:: Robert P. Beveridge <rpb@cle.dol-esa.gov>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:49:48 -0400
Subject:: Lock grooves

Pardon the ignorance; what, exactly, are lock grooves? Thinking of picking up a limited ed. release in the near future, but want to know whether such things (there are four on this one) should make me look into buying the CD instead. RPB Carthago delenda est! ---------------------- Replied Message Body ---------------------- forward/edit

quoted 2 lines From: CiM <u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk> aka Big Brother Almighty!

> From: CiM <u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk> aka Big Brother Almighty! > Ectomorph : Interdimensional Transmissions (?)

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quoted 2 lines Equally exciting is the clear minty green vinyl, the two locked

> Equally exciting is the clear minty green vinyl, the two locked > grooves and the single track that plays from the centre of the record

... 3 locked grooves. :9 excellent work CiM! Teep

1995-09-26 16:31Johnathan A. RickmanRobert- Lock grooves are vinyl grooves that "lock" the needle in to playing the groove ove

From:: Johnathan A. Rickman <jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
To:: Robert P. Beveridge <rpb@cle.dol-esa.gov>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:31:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves
Reply to:: Lock grooves

Robert- Lock grooves are vinyl grooves that "lock" the needle in to playing the groove over and over until you pick it up. For example: Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth released an album called: "From Here To Infinity" which has a lock groove at the end of each song. Thus, each song never really ends, conceptually. Another fabulous lock groove record which comes to mind is RRR 100. This record marks indie-noise label RRR's 100th release. It's a 7" containing 100 lock grooves! 50 to a side, by 100 artists. I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any idm records with lock grooves.............. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N'''''''''''''''''''''''' jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

1995-09-26 17:56Dave WalkerOn Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote: > I know these examples aren't very idm-i

From:: Dave Walker <marmoset@mail.msen.com>
To:: I D M <idm@taz.hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:56:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: Lock grooves

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote:

quoted 2 lines I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any idm

> I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any idm > records with lock grooves..............

Actually, there's lots... it's especially popular among Detroit-affiliated artists -- Jeff Mills is a particular fan of them. Check out his _Cycle 30_ and _Growth_ EP's, for example. There's also a couple of the X-10n records from the UR days. As someone else already brought up, Canada's Legion of Green Men are lock-groove enthusiasts as well, and the aforementioned locked grooves on the Ectomorph record kick all kinds o' butt. And wasn't there one on that first Jedi Knights EP? I know I'm blanking on some other pretty prominent releases, but IDM lock grooves aren't as rare as you might think. As I understand, the reason you don't see more of them is that the mastering house has to be pretty competent to pull it off. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com phat phorest phires <A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>

1995-09-26 18:43CiMOn Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > Actually, there's lots... it's especially popula

From:: CiM <u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk>
To:: Dave Walker <marmoset@mail.msen.com>
Cc:: I D M <idm@taz.hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:43:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: Lock grooves

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 3 lines Actually, there's lots... it's especially popular among Detroit-affiliated

> Actually, there's lots... it's especially popular among Detroit-affiliated > artists -- Jeff Mills is a particular fan of them. Check out his _Cycle 30_ > and _Growth_ EP's,

_Growth_ is the best use of a locked groove I think I've ever heard. The track just builds and builds, reaches its peak and then locks beautifully.

quoted 2 lines And wasn't there one

> And wasn't there one > on that first Jedi Knights EP?

Yup; insane laughing if my memory serves me correctly. A definite Teep tool, this one :)

quoted 2 lines I know I'm blanking on some other pretty

> I know I'm blanking on some other pretty > prominent releases, but IDM lock grooves aren't as rare as you might think.

Planetary Assault Systems _Diesel Drudge_ has one. A friend bought it and listened to it for thirty minutes before he realised it was a locked groove. || [CiM] || u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

1995-09-26 22:27Christopher William NiemitzOn Tue, 26 Sep 1995, CiM wrote: > On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > > > And wasn't

From:: Christopher William Niemitz <niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu>
To:: I D M <idm@taz.hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves/Global comm. 4 sale
Reply to:: Re: Lock grooves

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, CiM wrote:

quoted 7 lines On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Dave Walker wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > > > And wasn't there one > > on that first Jedi Knights EP? > > Yup; insane laughing if my memory serves me correctly. A definite Teep > tool, this one :)

There's also one on the jedi knights remix of 7'39" (I think, my stylus picks up before it makes the complete rotation), which by the way, i was going to include in my vinyl sale (once i have time to go through stuff). So if you want it, make me an offer (also willing to consider any good trades). Global Communication: maiden voyage (DJ green vinyl promo, GLOBA002TDJ) Side A 1. grid mix 2. michael brook mix Side AA 1. 7'39" (jedi knights mix w/ locked groove)

1995-09-27 12:39Eylon IsraeliOn Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote: > Robert- > Lock grooves are vinyl groove

From:: Eylon Israeli <snowjob@actcom.co.il>
To:: Johnathan A. Rickman <jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Cc:: Robert P. Beveridge <rpb@cle.dol-esa.gov>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:39:22 +0200 (EET)
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: Lock grooves

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote:

quoted 12 lines Robert-

> Robert- > Lock grooves are vinyl grooves that "lock" the needle in to playing > the groove over and over until you pick it up. > For example: > Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth released an album called: "From Here To Infinity" > which has a lock groove at the end of each song. > Thus, each song never really ends, conceptually. > Another fabulous lock groove record which comes to mind is RRR 100. > This record marks indie-noise label RRR's 100th release. > It's a 7" containing 100 lock grooves! 50 to a side, by 100 artists. > I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any idm > records with lock grooves..............

There's such a thing in the ElpH 10" (Eskaton 002 I think). probably done by coil or a by product. Locked groove at the end of the song. A typical infinity stunt. snow

1995-09-26 17:09Jeff LinacreThe first locked groove I ever heard, when I was a kid, was on a track off Heaven Seventee

From:: Jeff Linacre <jlinacre@ludwig.ucl.ac.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:09:28 +0100
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves

The first locked groove I ever heard, when I was a kid, was on a track off Heaven Seventeen's Penthouse and Pavement, as to why this track seemed to carry on for ever had me completely mystified. jeff PS: caught a snatch of the T Power lp yesterday - sounds fab

1995-09-26 20:18Jon Drukman> > I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any > > idm records with

From:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:18:21 -0800
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves

quoted 5 lines I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any

> > I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any > > idm records with lock grooves.............. > > Actually, there's lots... it's especially popular among > Detroit-affiliated artists

and mike kandel of exist dance records (who is, or was, heavily influenced by detroit artists) has used them several times. one of the versions of "they came in peace" has it, as does one of the sides of "trying to reach you"... there's more but i'm spacing on them. he's also done the (well worn) trick of making the groove skip forward, leaving a lot of space, and etching a message in the empty space... -j-

1995-09-26 22:04Christopher William NiemitzOn Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote: > he's also done the (well worn) trick of > making

From:: Christopher William Niemitz <niemitz@cats.ucsc.edu>
To:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: Lock grooves

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 3 lines he's also done the (well worn) trick of

> he's also done the (well worn) trick of > making the groove skip forward, leaving a lot of space, and etching a message > in the empty space...

"trick"? I thought this was just standard for vinyl releases (or are you saying that he did it in the outside & not inside groove?)

1995-09-27 01:26Four Hour SpirographOn Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote: > > > I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, b

From:: Four Hour Spirograph <chandler@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
To:: Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: Lock grooves

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 2 lines I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any

> > > I know these examples aren't very idm-ish, but I'm unaware of any > > > idm records with lock grooves..............

Let's get down to the cool stuff: making locked grooves that sync with the rhythm of the track as it entered the locked groove. If you made a 133.332 BPM tune, you could make several versions on the vinyl that built up and ended with locked grooves that would be mixable! 33.3333 Rotations per Minute x 4 beats = 133.333 beats per minute. It would be the same no matter how in/out from the center the needle was (this distance only effects fidelity{amount of time etched over length of groove}) So who's done this? David Chandler - chandler@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (503)301-3011 grep -i casio goodwillbins >> mystudio ; grep -i atari goodwillbins >> mystudio ;

1995-09-27 05:25Dean-O-MaticA locked groove like the ones found on Universal Indicator Red, at the ending of each side

From:: Dean-O-Matic <dkp118@mail.usask.ca>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:25:18 -0600
Subject:: Re: Lock grooves

A locked groove like the ones found on Universal Indicator Red, at the ending of each side?

1995-09-28 15:18luke magnusonIn terms of lock grooves 'Legion Of Green Men' have got to be the masters!! **************

From:: luke magnuson <luke@dingding.demon.co.uk>
To:: <"Robert P. Beveridge"@dingding.demon.co.uk>, <jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:18:34 GMT
Subject:: Re: Re: Lock grooves

In terms of lock grooves 'Legion Of Green Men' have got to be the masters!! ***************************** * luke@dingding.demon.co.uk * ***************************** --

2000-11-02 17:20me makes youspeaking of lock grooves, you should all check out the RRR 500 record there are some amazi

From:: me makes you <woolydogeater@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:20:48 GMT
Subject:: Re: [idm] lock grooves

speaking of lock grooves, you should all check out the RRR 500 record there are some amazing loops in there, wondering why djs dont put them to good use has anyone got any of the other RRR lock groove releases, like RRR200? and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent scratching/dj set up, since i have absolutely no idea how the ninja masters do what they do the Zen Cuts, as i listen to it more and more, is nothing short of fucking amazing, something for everyone brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-11-02 19:03EggyToast>and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent >scratching/dj s

From:: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>
To:: me makes you <woolydogeater@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:03:31 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: [idm] lock grooves

quoted 5 lines and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent

>and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent >scratching/dj set up, since i have absolutely no idea how the ninja >masters do what they do >the Zen Cuts, as i listen to it more and more, is nothing short of fucking >amazing, something for everyone

well you can get a pair of turntables for about $400, a mixer for about $200, and a pair of good scratching cartridges/needles for about $150. slipmats are cheap (but necessary). but as far as the ninja masters do it - it's called practice and ingenuity :) cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-11-03 03:22Johan @ (K-RAA-K)3op 02-11-2000 09:20 schreef me makes you op woolydogeater@hotmail.com: > speaking of lock

From:: Johan @ (K-RAA-K)3 <kraak@pandora.be>
To:: me makes you <woolydogeater@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:22:14 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: [idm] lock grooves

op 02-11-2000 09:20 schreef me makes you op woolydogeater@hotmail.com:

quoted 22 lines speaking of lock grooves, you should all check out the RRR 500 record

> speaking of lock grooves, you should all check out the RRR 500 record > there are some amazing loops in there, wondering why djs dont put them to > good use > has anyone got any of the other RRR lock groove releases, like RRR200? > and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent > scratching/dj set up, since i have absolutely no idea how the ninja masters > do what they do > the Zen Cuts, as i listen to it more and more, is nothing short of fucking > amazing, something for everyone > brian > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

quoted 2 lines

> >

i got a 7" from rre with i think 100 locked grooves on it... Also recommendable om rre is the triple album Ptolaimine from Asmus tietchens which is based upon these 7"s locked grooves. More recommendable locked grooves are the Noto double 10" which is not only beautifull to look at, but highly recommendable for dj's without an attitude. And what about the Janek Schaefer 7" on Hot air??? Talking about grooves:) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-11-02 19:30atomlyI have the RRR500 record and it rules... To keep it IDM related, what about the DISC recor

From:: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:30:35 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] lock grooves
Reply to:: Re: [idm] lock grooves

I have the RRR500 record and it rules... To keep it IDM related, what about the DISC record? That thing's dope. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-11-02 18:41Static$1800 retail $500 x 2 for Technics 1200 MK3D $800 for one Vestax PMC07 Pro DJ Scratch Mixe

From:: Static <static@staticbeats.com>
To:: me makes you <woolydogeater@hotmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:41:04 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] lock grooves

$1800 retail $500 x 2 for Technics 1200 MK3D $800 for one Vestax PMC07 Pro DJ Scratch Mixer check http://www.pssl.com for the highest prices on the net. shimone/justes Now Playing - Spacetime Continuum - Different Bend http://www.staticbeats.com - Tune in Dammit! Broadcasting All Day - 56k IDM / 24k Jungle ----- Original Message ----- From: "me makes you" <woolydogeater@hotmail.com>

quoted 2 lines and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent

> and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent > scratching/dj set up, since i have absolutely no idea how the ninja

masters

quoted 1 line do what they do

> do what they do

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2000-11-02 22:46interditI've had hours of fun playing locked grooves through delay units with amps turned up full,

From:: interdit <interdit@yahoo.com>
To:: idm <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:46:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] lock grooves

I've had hours of fun playing locked grooves through delay units with amps turned up full, makes me feel like Pole! oh the thrill! --- me makes you <woolydogeater@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 21 lines speaking of lock grooves, you should all check out the RRR 500 record

> speaking of lock grooves, you should all check out the RRR 500 record > there are some amazing loops in there, wondering why djs dont put them to > good use > has anyone got any of the other RRR lock groove releases, like RRR200? > and wondering what kind of cash a person would need to get a half decent > scratching/dj set up, since i have absolutely no idea how the ninja masters > do what they do > the Zen Cuts, as i listen to it more and more, is nothing short of fucking > amazing, something for everyone > brian > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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