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pardon me if i am out of line, but what the fuck? now that everyone and his intelligent dog is jumping on the jungle tip, everyone swarms to it. i remember mixmaster morris plain out insulting hardcore as stupid and idiotic in more than one article and interview. now he's praising every single artist who's switching styles. can i call mixmaster morris's stuff stupid ambient? well, i am. frankly, it's way over sampled, and i don't like a lot of the vocal samples. some of them would be better in a gabber album. it's silly and boorish. it's funny how trends work. it's funny how people switch sides. -- o _/,_ . /o...\__// fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu \_'__/``\` \`

On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Ryan G. Pals wrote:

quoted 1 line it's funny how trends work. it's funny how people switch sides.

> it's funny how trends work. it's funny how people switch sides.

It's also funny how some people are consistently annoying. In moving the IDM divining rod a bit further off course, I picked up _No Sound is too Taboo_ by our friends from the Far East, the United Future Organization. Very jazzy, very mellow, but a few tracks have the beat. Good groove music, to be sure. Also heavily recommended already, and I'll nth that recommendation, is the domestic _Transmissions from the Planet Dog_. If I'd known Banco de Gaia was *this* beautiful, I would have shelled out the import dollars long ago. And now it's going to be domestic! Happy, Joy. Dave .------------------------------------------dave.manning@dreamland.unomaha.edu | "There is no other reality dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu | but our own...." dmanning@eworld.com .-------------------------------------------- dgmanning@aol.com

quoted 6 lines frankly, it's way over sampled, and i don't like a lot of the vocal

> frankly, it's way over sampled, and i don't like a lot of the vocal > samples. some of them would be better in a gabber album. it's silly > and boorish. > > it's funny how trends work. it's funny how people switch sides. >

oh gee... wow, can't believe i'd even respond to the likes of this... let's think here...hmmm...how far along in life will negativity (and an ego) get us? geez. r.

On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Ryan G. Pals wrote:

quoted 1 line it's funny how trends work. it's funny how people switch sides.

> it's funny how trends work. it's funny how people switch sides.

Eesh. Anyone who thinks of music tastes as "sides" needs to reevaluate their stance IMO. This isn't an "us versus them" issue. Personal music tastes is very complicated. Maybe at the time when Morris made the comment about "hardcore" he found no music in that genre very inspiratoinal. Now maybe there are tracks out there which have taken him by suprise which is good because that means the scene and sound is progressing. To me that is what makes techno and related electronic music so much fun. Just when you've found something that makes you jump out of your skin with excitement, it changes and transforms into an even more interesting style. Progression is key. Lack thereof is what makes most of those who love elecronic music dislike most other forms of music (i.e. rock, country..) I tend to agree with Morris. Only because of my personal tastes and not because of Morris' popularity. I disliked the whole breakbeat style that emerged a couple of years ago. It didn't catch me as being clever or creative. When jungle started to appear I more or less ignored it because it was born out of the breakbeat scene. Big mistake. Last weekend San Francisco's best jungle DJ (and probably only jungle DJ) played me some of his mix tapes. On them were some of the tracks Morris mentioned (Plug1 and the other Vibert jungle track he mentioned). We ended up going out to the car because the party we were at was mostly typical formula house music and I can't tell you how bored I am of the same old house beat and piano progressions (with vocals thrown in of course). I was amazed by the tricky beats and reggae roots style rhythims and bass lines in the jungle I heard. It was fun. It was exciting. It was fresh, and most of all it was inventive and incredibly creative. I liked it so much that I decided to sit down with Thad (the jungle DJ friend) and work out some jungle tracks. Call me trandy. Call me a bandwagon jumper. I don't really care, but call me inspired! There's some incredible shit out there if you know where to look. Morris was just expressing his excitement in the stuff that he's found and decided to share it with the rest of us. No harm done IMO. I also think it pertains to the list since some "IDM" artists were of those mentioned in the post. I guess my point is don't window shop. Get in there and try on all the different sizes and shapes before you decide something is crap. There are really so many sub genres of jungle (drum 'n bass, ambient jungle, experimantal...). You're bound to find something out there that you like, esp. with so many excellent musicians contributing to the style. -robert --> __ _ _ _____ _____ _____ / _\ | || || _ \|_ _|/ _ \ / /_\\ | -- || |_) | _| |_ | (_) | ______________ /______\\____/|_____/|_____|\_____/ ( *electronic* ) "Thanks for the technical data. It sure is nice to read something useful for once, instead of all that noise about useless Roland x0x boxes." -metlay