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With the recent flurry of outrage directed at one camp or another, I got to thinking. Everyone seems to have an opinion, so let's hear some of them... What is selling out? If we're going to have accusations, let's have some definitions, as well. I'm inclined to think many people on this list would say even Michelangeo was a sell-out...just consider his work on the sistine chapel, not to mention any of the OTHER work he did for the pope or for one rich family or another. Of course, he didn't get paid much of the time, but that doesn't change the fact that he PAINTED FOR MONEY. Is there anyone willing to say that Michelangelo was a sell-out AND that this was bad (for him or for his fans or for society; whichever selling out is bad for) AND that he shouldn't be considered one of the greatest artists of all time? So when does an artist sell out? And, most important of all, why is it bad? ---brian

and more recently, momus' revival of arts patronage. for $1000, he'd write you a song. three cheers for corporate whores! i aspire to be one someday. chris

quoted 25 lines ooh! shakespeare was a sellout too, writing plays for kings and for favors!

>ooh! shakespeare was a sellout too, writing plays for kings and for favors! > >old billy was a corporate whore indeed. > >- wells oliver / s0ewoliv@vcu.edu > [ "you be the lighthouse in the storm > and i'll be the ship filled with a thousand dead souls" ] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian Gause [mailto:bgause@us.oracle.com] >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 8:56 PM >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: (idm) selling out? >> >> >> >> With the recent flurry of outrage directed at one camp or another, I got >> to thinking. Everyone seems to have an opinion, so let's hear some of >> them... >> >> What is selling out? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Brian Gause wrote:

quoted 1 line What is selling out?

> What is selling out?

For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult Vanilla Ice. Paraphrased from an interview: "Yeah, I'm a sell out. I'm selling out [stadiums, on tour] every night." My question is, who would accuse him of selling out? Selling out what? -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 11 lines From: Brian Gause <bgause@us.oracle.com>

>From: Brian Gause <bgause@us.oracle.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: (idm) selling out? >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:56:21 -0800 > > >With the recent flurry of outrage directed at one camp or another, I got >to thinking. Everyone seems to have an opinion, so let's hear some of >them... > >What is selling out?

when any true artist doesn't stay "true to him/herself" ...it has nothing to do with money...it's all about sticking with one's artistic guns... db ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Written by : Brian Gause <bgause@us.oracle.com>

quoted 1 line What is selling out?

>What is selling out?

Correct - everyone has their own opinion, or should be , are looking at it from their own perspective, but i would agree with Ian McKaye, who defined "selling out" as "doing something you are fundamentally oppossed to for commercial gain" also anyone heard that Le Tigre album - any good? _>>>____Docktor Barnes Advocaat ICQ #60493625 ____________________________ http://www.onoksid.freeserve.co.uk "Payola was the greatest thing in the world. You didn't have to go out to dinner with someone and kiss their ass. Just pay them, heres the money, play the record, fuck you" Hymie Weiss (The Hit Men) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sun, 23 Jan 2000, _>>>____Barnes Advocaat wrote:

quoted 2 lines also anyone heard that Le Tigre album - any

> also anyone heard that Le Tigre album - any > good?

Yea, I'd agree with that definition of selling out (I'd agree with most things that come out of Ian Mackaye's mouth. :P) Anyway, the Le Tigre album is decent, but my roommate's ex-girlfriend listened to this one song so much I wanted to stab my own eyes out. but that's not the album's fault. :) -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

That was like the article I read where Josh Winfk and Armand Van Helden identified themselves as the rebels in the techno scene Rob component records http://www.mindstorm.com/component ----- Original Message ----- From: R. Lim <rlim@escape.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: Re: (idm) selling out?

quoted 19 lines On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Brian Gause wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Brian Gause wrote: > > > What is selling out? > > For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult > Vanilla Ice. Paraphrased from an interview: > > "Yeah, I'm a sell out. I'm selling out [stadiums, on tour] every night." > > My question is, who would accuse him of selling out? Selling out what? > > -rob > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Robert Galbraith wrote:

quoted 2 lines That was like the article I read where Josh Winfk and Armand Van

> That was like the article I read where Josh Winfk and Armand Van > Helden identified themselves as the rebels in the techno scene

Haha... Rebelling against good taste, perhaps, or maybe rebelling against the underground. Are you there? :P -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult

> For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult > Vanilla Ice. Paraphrased from an interview: > > "Yeah, I'm a sell out. I'm selling out [stadiums, on tour] every night."

That quote comes from Metallica's Jason Newsted, man, not Ice. You should know your Behind The Musics better. : ) ...bologna on hand... Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult

>> For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult >> Vanilla Ice. Paraphrased from an interview: >> >> "Yeah, I'm a sell out. I'm selling out [stadiums, on tour] every night." > >That quote comes from Metallica's Jason Newsted, man, not Ice. You should >know your Behind The Musics better. : ) ...bologna on hand...

I heard a movie sample on a radio station promo today that smack of this thread... "Just remember - I didn't sell out. I bought in." Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 12 lines For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult

> >> For clarification on this subject, as always, it is best to consult > >> Vanilla Ice. Paraphrased from an interview: > >> > >> "Yeah, I'm a sell out. I'm selling out [stadiums, on tour] every night." > > > >That quote comes from Metallica's Jason Newsted, man, not Ice. You should > >know your Behind The Musics better. : ) ...bologna on hand... > > I heard a movie sample on a radio station promo today that smack of this > thread... > > "Just remember - I didn't sell out. I bought in."

From the very funny _SLC Punk_. Worth watching. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org