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On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Jussi P Saarelainen wrote:

quoted 2 lines Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of

> Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of > vocals and keyboards? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What?! 120bpm is hard breakbeat? Hahaha try 140+... ted

On Wed, 5 Apr 1995, Ted Weinberg wrote:

quoted 6 lines On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Jussi P Saarelainen wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Jussi P Saarelainen wrote: > > > Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of > > vocals and keyboards? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > What?! 120bpm is hard breakbeat? Hahaha > try 140+...

Using fast tempos to make something "hard" is a crutch. Peace, Matt

On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, Matt Corwine wrote:

quoted 9 lines On Wed, 5 Apr 1995, Ted Weinberg wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Apr 1995, Ted Weinberg wrote: >> On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Jussi P Saarelainen wrote: >> >> > Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of >> > vocals and keyboards? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> What?! 120bpm is hard breakbeat? Hahaha >> try 140+... > >Using fast tempos to make something "hard" is a crutch.

Yes, but sometimes it's a lot of fun as well. ;P

quoted 2 lines Peace,

>Peace, >Matt

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quoted 4 lines Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of

>> Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of >> vocals and keyboards? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > What?! 120bpm is hard breakbeat? Hahaha >try 140+...

there's no such thing as 'hard breakbeat' as a style of music. i think the guy meant a hard breakbeat, as in one that rattles your skull quite nicely. my favorite type of breakbeat actually, next to the shuffly ones. i know plenty of stuff at 160+ that has weak ass breakbeats. anything with the 'amen' or the 'ya bad sista' (although i still call it the 'chubbs' :) for example. you've got no reason to laugh at this guy though cos you only made yourself look foolish! P.S. what the f*ck is digi funk? another g*dd*mn label to confuse everyone again, me thinx! -- o _/,_ . /o...\__// fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu \_'__/``\` \`

quoted 8 lines Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of

> >> Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of > >> vocals and keyboards? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > What?! 120bpm is hard breakbeat? Hahaha > >try 140+... > > there's no such thing as 'hard breakbeat' as a style of music. i think > the guy meant a hard breakbeat, as in one that rattles your skull quite > nicely.

etc. snip -- 8< --- Spot on. There is a difference between descriptions and labelling and the trouble is a lot of people don't know the difference. I've had instances where me or someone else says eg "its a heavy funky garagey kind of groove..." and some idiot says "is that the new genre?" like trying to take the piss. And other people just can't seem to survive without making up labels for everything and trying to pigeonhole, so "digifunk" is probably a label for something similar to the above description, but I thought that one died ages ago. "Ain't No Love Ain't no Use" was supposedly digifunk, but then according to some, so is most of what X-Press 2 have done. So the label doesn't really help at all! So "Dark Ambient" can mean 2 things from 2 people. Some would regard it as a genre, whereas I would try and use the word "dark" as a description for some ambient pieces. I remember ages ago posting a message here titled "intelligent jungle?" and what I meant was not "does 'intelligent jungle' exist?" but "is some of this stuff they call jungle worthy of the description "intelligent" in the context of this newsgroup? The consensus was "yes" but one or two individuals started shouting about how there's no such thing as "intelligent jungle" only hardcore or drum and bass or whatever!? So we're drifting away from IDM as a pure topic here, but I just had to get in my tuppenorth. J ^ obElectro Has anyone seen the Network Hashim and Nitro Deluxe remixes/rereleases around yet? __ ___ ___ _ __ __ (__` | (_ /_\ | \ \_/ _ | .__) | (___ / \ |__/ / \_| steady-J@firefox.co.uk

quoted 10 lines ambient pieces. I remember ages ago posting a message here titled "intell=

> ambient pieces. I remember ages ago posting a message here titled "intell= > igent > jungle?" and what I meant was not "does 'intelligent jungle' exist?" but = > "is > some of this stuff they call jungle worthy of the description "intelligen= > t" in > the context of this newsgroup? The consensus was "yes" but one or two > individuals started shouting about how there's no such thing as "intellig= > ent > jungle" only hardcore or drum and bass or whatever!?

remember it, I said something about jungle being ambient and was shouted at that it is now called 'hard-step'.... ;-) cases dismissed for not being worthy. snow

quoted 6 lines On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Jussi P Saarelainen wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Jussi P Saarelainen wrote: > >> Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of >> vocals and keyboards? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > What?! 120bpm is hard breakbeat? Hahaha >try 140+...

speed has nothing to do with hardness, so sayeth the man whose records all feature what he likes to think of as punishing breakbeats, and all under 130 BPM. Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com I can tell you're cool because your water costs more than your beer.

In message <199504061008.GAA20973@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> "Ryan G. Pals" writes:

quoted 6 lines Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of

> >> Is this a track with a hard breakbeat (around 120bpm) and latin type of > >> vocals and keyboards? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > What?! 120bpm is hard breakbeat? Hahaha > >try 140+... > > there's no such thing as 'hard breakbeat' as a style of music. i think

bla bla bla yawn. Scoobs in Columbia is an *excellent* 12". Latin with a a tough breakbeat (ok, not >hard< - no jungle silliness) is a fair description, it's on GPR , number 7. Really worth tracking down... Chris. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | cmg@scherzo.demon.co.uk, *overloaded!* | | giles@rrl.uucp | | u90cmg@ecs.oxford.ac.uk, -Terminated- | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~