IDM Mailing Archive

jamess@firefox.co.uk (Jamess) writes:

quoted 4 lines It might seem odd, but does anyone hear any jungle stuff?

>It might seem odd, but does anyone hear any jungle stuff? >With all the hype recently, I couldn't resist picking up a handful >of highly recommended releases, and I think one or two are genuinely >interesting from an "intelligent" point of view. Of course you have

don't use that word 'intelligent'. :P

quoted 1 line to be able to withstand 170bpm breakbeats to appreciate this stuff,

>to be able to withstand 170bpm breakbeats to appreciate this stuff,

no, you don't. a lot of drum & bass coming out isn't very fast at all. why? well, there are no solid beats, just bass lines. no 4/floor, that slows it down a lot. not to mention some labels like reinforced release stuff around 140 bpm.

quoted 3 lines The complex drum patterns which jungle has developed are reminiscent

>The complex drum patterns which jungle has developed are reminiscent >of those used in much of "our" kind of idm - just a hell of a lot >faster.

no. 'idm' sticks (for the most part) to the 4 on the floor. jungle and drum & bass goes beyond this, as someone else would say, 'original ideas in percussion', or something like that. am i saying drum & bass and jungle are more 'intelligent' than idm? hell, yes. :P andrewf@foe.co.uk (Andrew Freeman) writes:

quoted 8 lines I just picked up an excellent compilation called 'This is Jungle' on

>I just picked up an excellent compilation called 'This is Jungle' on >Ultrasound. The chewns were compiled by Nicky Blackmarket of Blackmarket >Records and they are all produced this year. A good section of reggae, >darkside and ballad style cuts (16 tracks). Having ignored this scene for >a couple of years I have been most impressed by some of the work that has >been done over this summer in London. It has come light years from the >rave crap of 'Sesames Treat/Trumpton' , and seems to be moving off into >directions determined by the artists background, ie reggae, techno, soul.

hmm. i liked that 'rave crap'. it made you happy. it was fun. too bad people have minds like steal traps. :P dbdodd@midway.uchicago.edu (David Dodd)

quoted 1 line It's cool to hear people on this list talking about jungle, since a bunch

>It's cool to hear people on this list talking about jungle, since a bunch

yeah, well, i've been reading about it for a while on the breaks list.

quoted 1 line of releases lately seem to really be listening music as much as dance

>of releases lately seem to really be listening music as much as dance

i think saying a certain type of music is not good for listening to but dancing too is pretty stupid and opiniated, but that's what this list is all about. :P

quoted 4 lines music. I really like Omni Trio and Metalheads (aka Goldie) as far as

>music. I really like Omni Trio and Metalheads (aka Goldie) as far as >interesting listening. I recently got a tape made by a DJ here (Chicago) >that he describes as "intelligent drum and bass" which is very interesting >in a dubby sort of way, but unfortunately I don't have a track listing.

i guess it's too late. you wankers have already stuck the 'intelligent' label on it. :P

quoted 4 lines Looking at jungle in terms of musical progression, the junglists seem to

>Looking at jungle in terms of musical progression, the junglists seem to >be developing some really interesting ways to employ samplers. On the >best stuff they have gotten out of the whole problem of having a monotonous >d a long time ago, and it looks like you 'idm'ers are still

stuck there. :P

quoted 5 lines sound effects to keep the time and use the drum samples more as a lead

>sound effects to keep the time and use the drum samples more as a lead >instrument, and in a fairly non-repetitive way. Of course, I'm talking >about the best (IMHO) stuff; jungle always runs the risk of degenerating >into noisy sound-effects records, or worse yet, into extremely fast rap >music.

uh. yeah. whatever. i disagree. you'll see why if you keep reading.

quoted 5 lines To anyone who's interested in this kind of stuff, I'd recommend trying

>To anyone who's interested in this kind of stuff, I'd recommend trying >to find Simon Reynold's article about ambient jungle in _the Wire_ >(I think it was last month's issue). In general _the Wire_ seems to >cover jungle releases from an "intelligent" standpoint, and they often review >jungle singles and compilations.

there is no such thing as ambient jungle. i've said this...how many times? jungle is stuff like krome & time, dms & the boneman x, shy fx, yes, even m beat, although many junglists dislike him cos he did that track with levy. drum & bass is the style you are discussing here! omni trio is not jungle. he is drum & bass. same with the rest this list has been discussing. i think if most of you heard an actual 'jungle' record you'd hate it (cos you have no taste? :P ) and by the way, don't use the 'a' word to describe it either. :P and as for recommendations, i'd suggest signing on to the breaks list. i see a lot better reviews there than in any magazine that takes it from a damned 'intelligent' viewpoint. just when are people going to drop this pretentious 'intelligent' crap and just listen to the f*cking music? no music is more intelligent than another form. that's like saying this painting is smarter than that one! how can you label a work of art like that? pfft. now playing::: 'terrorist' by renegade -- @ ''''#####'.#.'#####''''' . '## :::ryan pals . - . '.#####.' . - .'###.## :::fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu @@'#...#''%&@ %###%#%##.''#...#'..'### :::this iz tha phuture... @&#....#%&@ %###%##%####....########