quoted 9 lines djkc <djkc@blkbox.com> writes:>
> djkc <djkc@blkbox.com> writes:
>
> > Anyway, I'm surprised nobody's even been disappointed or anything due to
> > RDJ "sellingout" as a commercial artist...he is very popular.
>
> Oh yeah. The Aphex Twin sounds just like Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains,
> Soundgarden. Or is it that he sounds like 2 Unlimited, Captain Hollywood
> Project, and Robin S?
I agree, he doesn't. So, I'm wondering how he's becoming a success.
You say it's because it's "GOOD MUSIC", but who are you to say that the
above artists (Pearl Jam, Robin S) are NOT good music? As I said before,
it's taste...opinion...there are no rights or wrongs.
quoted 3 lines I think it's quite obvious that Richard James isn't> I think it's quite obvious that Richard James isn't
> doing music for the money. His music is anything but commercial, and it is
> very popular because it's GOOD MUSIC.
How is it OBVIOUS that he's not doing it for the money? Do you know him
personally? Just cause he says it in a magazine doesn't mean it's true.
He may start to like the money if he doesn't yet...then what? Will he become
a sell-out like Robin S? (Just to let you know MY opinion - which is
irrelevant to the main debate - I could care less if he made millions or went
TOP 40, just as long as I get to listen to it cause he *IS* one of my
favorites).
You say he's anything but commercial, meaning he hasn't sold much yet?
Somehow I got the impression that he was the leading seller in the techno
underground (whatever that is).....well I mean, among the rave-style artists,
he's become a hit. How is he less commercial than Moby?
quoted 3 lines Why is it that the techno crowd> Why is it that the techno crowd
> nowadays is so naive as to think anybody who sells alot of records isn't
> making good music?
Exactly! It's not so much as just naivete, but also there is the element
of elitism which is wholey anti-rave. There are ravers who don't like other
ravers, and it shouldn't be this way...not only should music and events be
bringing us together, but there should be opened-mindeness which does too.
So I'm not sure if you may be naive or elitist, as it seems like you began
your message flaming Pearl Jam - Robin S.
Maybe it's just me reading it as "Aphex is successful because he's _GOOD_
while the others aren't". If this is so, then how are they as much a
success as they are?
Your statements are totally opinion, and are not absolute. So try to be more
objective.
However...
quoted 5 lines I would MUCH rather have MTV watchers listening to Moby,> I would MUCH rather have MTV watchers listening to Moby,
> The Aphex Twin, or the Orb than to 50,000 Variations of 'Rhythm is a
> Dancer.' I'd much rather have them watching 'On' than some shite top 40
> track.
>
I would too. But you're calling everything else shite. If it all is shite,
then where do they deserve to be other than the Top40 charts & playlists?
Your answer to this would be totally opinion...personal taste.
Those guys got to be Top 40 because of something...could it be that there
music is "GOOD" according to way more many people than the number that
even ever HEARD of Aphex Twin? Imagine that...people liking Pearl Jam and
Robin S...pfft!
OK, sarcasm aside, I just want to point out that there is relatively a
small number of people that love Aphex and are making him a success by buying
his commercial music recordings...this means a small group, which I don't
want to see become an elitist group...but rather a select few with good
judgement (i.e., have made good choice in an artist such as Richard James,
who, because of his rare music, shouldn't not be allowed to become Top 40,
and *I* think he should!).
quoted 3 lines 99% of all the IDM artists out there are much more deserving of mass> 99% of all the IDM artists out there are much more deserving of mass
> popularity than Snoop Doggy Dogg, Garth Brooks or Guns N Roses.
>
As I said, it's opinion...there is no absolute justice in who deserves massive
popularity. And don't tell me that it's lack of money and promotions; music
should sell itself based on quality, moreso than quantity. If quality is good,
demand rises, and popularity is inevitable.
quoted 7 lines Is he not the top seller in techno ("techno" in the very broad/general> > Is he not the top seller in techno ("techno" in the very broad/general
> > sense)??
>
> So what if he is? Just maybe it's because he's so _good_. Why the hell
> should we be disappointed if his video does get heavy rotation on MTV or
> his record sells three million copies? *I* will be extremely happy to see a
> truly deserving artist get rewarded for once.
I too. I was not saying that I am disappointed, but wondering why others
weren't, as it's common that such a thing happens; i.e., artist goes
mainstream and fans lose that feeling of being "special."
There are plenty of truly deserving artist who HAVE been rewarded!
Believe it or not, millions of people think that Michael Jackson and Madonna
deserve the rewards they've gotten. It's all opinion in what you consider
truly deserving. There are plenty of starving artists out there (including
me) who atleast one person thinks they deserve reward (hopefully not just me!)
but it's basically MAJORITY RULE in the matter of who has most records sold
and goes Top 40.
quoted 6 lines Flame away, but if you ask me, fuck the underground. Techno and IDM would>
> Flame away, but if you ask me, fuck the underground. Techno and IDM would
> do alot more good if the listenership weren't so restricted to an elitist
> few. Always keep this in mind folks: You don't deserve to be able to listen
> to 'halycon' any more than Eddie Vedder does. :)
>
I agree with you more than I flame you! :)
It shouldn't matter if the listenership is restricted to a FEW, just as long
as they don't have that elite, arrogant, egotistic attitude which could
bring infamy upon the fans, or worse, the artists they listen to.
quoted 1 line - Dan> - Dan
Nice topic, eh? :)
-djkc