David,
quoted 4 lines fanboy obsessiveness, once again, is magnified with the screen time it>fanboy obsessiveness, once again, is magnified with the screen time it
>gets. every ft/fs list displays a bit of it, & so does every question
>about this or that obscure artist or release. but to be honest, i've
>rarely seen it go beyond a healthy interest in the music we all love.
You are kidding, right!? Have you looked at the EBay site at some of the
prices this limited, exclusive, buy now or die music is fetching!?!?! Not
too mention a Skam Frisbee!?
quoted 19 lines Petty!? Explain how? I think the logic that you limit your cdr run even>> Petty!? Explain how? I think the logic that you limit your cdr run even
>> though you may have another 50, 100 or 1000 paying customers cueing up at
>> the door is petty. Basically with each cdr sold you should be covering your
>> costs and then some. The 'then some part' then covers the media, cover-art
>> and the time spent reproducing the next cdr of the continuing run. So
>> bearing this in mind what logic is there for limiting your cdr run if you
>> have people wanting to purchase it!? You don't even have to burn the cdr
>> until you have received their payment in advance!!
>
>look, your argument is sound & all. i just find it questionable to
>ridicule cdr labels (who certainly aren't in it for the money, otherwise
>they wouldn't be burning cdrs) just because of their print runs. you
>may have the resources & the willingness to do such a venture, & others
>might not. i think it's more a matter of accepting other people's
>preoccupations than anything to do with logic. i'm certainly not
>against the fact that some people are ready to spend their energy on
>running an on-demand cdr label: in fact, i applaud the fact & i wish
>them a lot of success. just understand that not everyone is willing to
>go this path.
Questionable!? Explain how? I think the questionable thing here is cdr
labels limiting their runs to ridiculously low amounts. The technology
empowered those too impoverished but with obvious talent to get their music
out their and heard. So why cut the head off this empowerment!?
quoted 24 lines All I said was... "There's no reason a cdr release should go out of print>> All I said was... "There's no reason a cdr release should go out of print
>> if there are people still willing to buy it!!". I could point fingers and
>> say didn't you do somebodies cdr release in a run of 20? If so, what were
>> the reasons for the ridiculously limited run? Not mean't to hassle you, but
>> to find out your reasoning.
>
>i'll be honest with you, i don't have much interest in selling
>incredible amounts of cdrs. in fact, i'm a shitty businessman & i don't
>know what i'm doing. i've bought a run of 20 cdrs from tomas (in fact i
>still owe him a bit from that) & sold them around (& even gave away a
>few of them to friends) for fun & to get the word around about his album
>& the no type site, which it is associated with. i don't have anymore
>money to spend nor am i willing to do any sort of cost planning,
>budgeting, etc. if someone could do this better, i'd gladly let them
>take over. unfortunately, i had to do this myself so there you go. &
>now i'm burning my own music on cdr & selling it around at the speed of
>snail, & i don't even think i'll sell more than the print of 20 i'm
>aiming to make of them. & god, if i do, you can be sure i'll burn some
>more, but when the day comes where i have to burn more than 5-6 cdrs a
>day just to keep up with the demand, you can be sure i'll either start
>seriously limiting my runs or find some other way to do this stuff,
>because that's about the best i can do with the resources i have.
>
>i hope that's a satisfactory answer.
Ok so it's explained by you in your case as being too lazy or not having
the resources to keep continually producing more of the same cdr... fair
enough that is your choice. One I disagree with but anyway.. now let's take
your example. From memory (I don't have your original post anymore) one of
your major emphasises/selling points of Thomas's cdr was it was limited to
only 20 copies and there will be NO more.. this is elitism.. plain and
simple. I think quite a few cdr labels use the fact that there are only
ridiculously low numbers of the run to be had to market said cdr.. contrary
to it all being about the music.
I could go on about that you are doing the music a dis-service by
ham-stringing it to only 20 copies and by not putting in the time and
effort needed to do something properly. I've learnt the hard way with the
Thug release... i've spent 100's of hours promoting it, producing it,
making sure the manufacturing process went smoothly, etc, etc and guess
what I haven't made a cent on it. Actually lost money, especially if I were
to charge for my time spent on it, BUT I don't do it too make money! I do
it for the love of the music and especially to highlight that Australia has
some quality electronic music being made within it's borders.
Oh I had the idea on reading your post of there being a cdr burn chain...
but apart from people being honest and sending some of the money, they make
on selling the burnt cdr's (exactly what is open to debate and questionable
too), to the original artist.. I couldn't come up with any valid way to
implement such an idea. Maybe some sort of licensing scheme? Such as some
one with a burner if they so choose pays a higher price for their cdr and
this covers any further cdrs s/he may make and sell. Has some incentive for
those who want to make some money and as a way of spreading the music
around, as it would keep music in print and alleviate the problems you
mentioned above. Though it also has it's own inherent problems. I've just
thrown the idea out into the public domain to see where it might go and if
anybody else can come up with good positive suggestions.
Of course the above doesn't cover novel packaging which seems to be all the
rage nowadays (Is this another form of elitism? ...only kidding! :).
Regards,
John
P.S. With Selectronic i'll be getting a duplication firm to take care of
that side of things for me. So there's another answer to some of your lack
of time, motivation and organisation problems you mentioned above.
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