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Alan Lockett
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Eric Sorenson
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Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:41:10 +0100
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Re: [idm] What I think is funny.
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Good one, Eric. I assume some familiarity with this one too: Postmodernists on Jerry Springer Todd: Hi, Jerry. Jerry: (reading from card) So, Todd, you're here to tell your girlfriend something. What is it? Todd: Well, Jerry, my girlfriend Ursula and I have been going out for three years now. We did everything together. We were really inseparable. But then she discovered post-Marxist political and literary theory, and it's been nothing but fighting ever since. Jerry: Why is that? Todd: You see, Jerry, I'm a traditional Cartesian rationalist. I believe that the individual self, the "I" or ego is the foundation of all metaphysics. She, on the other hand, believes that the contemporary self is a socially constructed, multi-faceted subjectivity reflecting the political and economic realities of late capitalist consumerist discourse. Crowd: Ooooohhhh! Todd: I know! I know! Is that infantile, or what? Jerry: So what do you want to tell her today? Todd: I want to tell her that unless she ditches the post-modernism, we're through. I just can't go on having a relationship with a woman who doesn't believe I exist. <natural break> read further at: <http://home.tiac.net/~cri/1999/springer.html> --On 27 July 2006 10:05 -0700 Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote:
quoted 226 lines Po-mo discussions get my juices flowing. It's a weakness held over> > Po-mo discussions get my juices flowing. It's a weakness held over > from my heady collegiate days (those I remember, anyway). > > But the final words on the subject belong to Mark Leyner for the > following text. Reprinted without permission, because ownership > is a null-value construct anyway. > > > December 21, 1997 > > > Geraldo, Eat Your Avant-Pop Heart Out > > > > By MARK LEYNER > HOBOKEN, N.J. -- JENNY JONES: Boy, we have a show for you today! > > Recently, the University of Virginia philosopher Richard Rorty made > the stunning declaration that nobody has "the foggiest idea" what > postmodernism means. "It would be nice to get rid of it," he said. "It > isn't exactly an idea; it's a word that pretends to stand for an idea." > > This shocking admission that there is no such thing as postmodernism > has produced a firestorm of protest around the country. Thousands of > authors, critics and graduate students who'd considered themselves > postmodernists are outraged at the betrayal. > > Today we have with us a writer -- a recovering postmodernist -- who > believes that his literary career and personal life have been > irreparably damaged by the theory, and who feels defrauded by the > academics who promulgated it. He wishes to remain anonymous, so we'll > call him "Alex." > > Alex, as an adolescent, before you began experimenting with > postmodernism, you considered yourself -- what? > > Close shot of ALEX. > > An electronic blob obscures his face. Words appear at bottom of > screen: "Says he was traumatized by postmodernism and blames > academics." > > ALEX (his voice electronically altered): A high modernist. Y'know, > Pound, Eliot, Georges Braque, Wallace Stevens, Arnold Schönberg, Mies > van der Rohe. I had all of Schönberg's 78's. > > JENNY JONES: And then you started reading people like Jean-François > Lyotard and Jean Baudrillard -- how did that change your feelings > about your modernist heroes? > > ALEX: I suddenly felt that they were, like, stifling and canonical. > > JENNY JONES: Stifling and canonical? That is so sad, such a waste. How > old were you when you first read Fredric Jameson? > > ALEX: Nine, I think. > > The AUDIENCE gasps. > > JENNY JONES: We have some pictures of young Alex. ... > > We see snapshots of 14-year-old ALEX reading Gilles Deleuze and Felix > Guattari's "Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia." The AUDIENCE > oohs and ahs. > > ALEX: We used to go to a friend's house after school -- y'know, his > parents were never home -- and we'd read, like, Paul Virilio and Julia > Kristeva. > > JENNY JONES: So you're only 14, and you're already skeptical toward > the "grand narratives" of modernity, you're questioning any belief > system that claims universality or transcendence. Why? > > ALEX: I guess -- to be cool. > > JENNY JONES: So, peer pressure? > > ALEX: I guess. > > JENNY JONES: And do you remember how you felt the very first time you > entertained the notion that you and your universe are constituted by > language -- that reality is a cultural construct, a "text" whose > meaning is determined by infinite associations with other "texts"? > > ALEX: Uh, it felt, like, good. I wanted to do it again. The AUDIENCE > groans. > > JENNY JONES: You were arrested at about this time? > > ALEX: For spray-painting "The Hermeneutics of Indeterminacy" on an > overpass. > > JENNY JONES: You're the child of a mixed marriage -- is that right? > > ALEX: My father was a de Stijl Wittgensteinian and my mom was a > neo-pre-Raphaelite. > > JENNY JONES: Do you think that growing up in a mixed marriage made you > more vulnerable to the siren song of postmodernism? > > ALEX: Absolutely. It's hard when you're a little kid not to be able to > just come right out and say (sniffles), y'know, I'm an Imagist or I'm > a phenomenologist or I'm a post-painterly abstractionist. It's really > hard -- especially around the holidays. (He cries.) > > JENNY JONES: I hear you. Was your wife a postmodernist? > > ALEX: Yes. She was raised avant-pop, which is a fundamentalist > offshoot of postmodernism. > > JENNY JONES: How did she react to Rorty's admission that postmodernism > was essentially a hoax? > > ALEX: She was devastated. I mean, she's got all the John Zorn albums > and the entire Semiotext(e) series. She was crushed. > > We see ALEX'S WIFE in the audience, weeping softly, her hands covering > her face. > > JENNY JONES: And you were raising your daughter as a postmodernist? > > ALEX: Of course. That's what makes this particularly tragic. I mean, > how do you explain to a 5-year-old that self-consciously recycling > cultural detritus is suddenly no longer a valid art form when, for her > entire life, she's been taught that it is? > > JENNY JONES: Tell us how you think postmodernism affected your career > as a novelist. > > ALEX: I disavowed writing that contained real ideas or any real > passion. My work became disjunctive, facetious and nihilistic. It was > all blank parody, irony enveloped in more irony. > > It merely recapitulated the pernicious banality of television and > advertising. I found myself indiscriminately incorporating any and all > kinds of pop kitsch and shlock. (He begins to weep again.) > > JENNY JONES: And this spilled over into your personal life? > > ALEX: It was impossible for me to experience life with any emotional > intensity. I couldn't control the irony anymore. I perceived my own > feelings as if they were in quotes. > > I italicized everything and everyone. It became impossible for me to > appraise the quality of anything. To me everything was equivalent -- > the Brandenburg Concertos and the Lysol jingle had the same value. > . . . (He breaks down, sobbing.) > > JENNY JONES: Now, you're involved in a lawsuit, aren't you? > > ALEX: Yes. I'm suing the Modern Language Association. > > JENNY JONES: How confident are you about winning? > > ALEX: We need to prove that, while they were actively propounding it, > academics knew all along that postmodernism was a specious theory. > > If we can unearth some intradepartmental memos -- y'know, a paper > trail -- any corroboration that they knew postmodernism was worthless > cant at the same time they were teaching it, then I think we have an > excellent shot at establishing liability. > > JENNY JONES wades into audience and proffers microphone to a woman. > > WOMAN (with lateral head-bobbing): It's ironic that Barry Scheck is > representing the M.L.A. in this litigation because Scheck is the > postmodern attorney par excellence. This is the guy who's made a > career of volatilizing truth in the simulacrum of exculpation! > > VOICE FROM AUDIENCE: You go, girl! > > WOMAN: Scheck is the guy who came up with the quintessentially > postmodern re-bleed defense for O. J., which claims that O. J. merely > vigorously shook Ron and Nicole, thereby re-aggravating pre-existing > knife wounds. I'd just like to say to any client of Barry Scheck -- > lose that zero and get a hero! > > The AUDIENCE cheers wildly. > > WOMAN: Uh, I forgot my question. > > Dissolve to message on screen: If you believe that mathematician > Andrew Wiles' proof of Fermat's last theorem has caused you or a > member of your family to dress too provocatively, call (800) 555-9455. > > Dissolve back to studio.In the audience, JENNY JONES extends the > microphone to a man in his mid-30's with a scruffy beard and a bandana > around his head. > > MAN WITH BANDANA: I'd like to say that this "Alex" is the single worst > example of pointless irony in American literature, and this whole > heartfelt renunciation of postmodernism is a ploy -- it's just more > irony. > > The AUDIENCE whistles and hoots. > > ALEX: You think this is a ploy?! (He tears futilely at the electronic > blob.) This is my face! > > The AUDIENCE recoils in horror. > > ALEX: This is what can happen to people who naïvely embrace > postmodernism, to people who believe that the individual -- the > autonomous, individualist subject -- is dead. They become a palimpsest > of media pastiche -- a mask of metastatic irony. > > JENNY JONES (biting lip and shaking her head): That is so sad. Alex -- > final words? > > ALEX: I'd just like to say that self-consciousness and irony seem like > fun at first, but they can destroy your life. I know. You gotta be > earnest, be real. Real feelings are important. Objective reality does > exist. AUDIENCE members whoop, stomp and pump fists in the air. > > JENNY JONES: I'd like to thank Alex for having the courage to come on > today and share his experience with us. > > Join us for tomorrow's show, "The End of Manichean, Bipolar > Geopolitics Turned My Boyfriend Into an Insatiable Sex Freak (and I > Love It!)." > > -- > - Eric Sorenson - N37 17.255 W121 55.738 - http://eric.explosive.net - > - Personal colo with a professional touch - http://www.explosive.net -
---------------------- Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) Language Centre, University of Bristol, 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org