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From:
Luis-Manuel Garcia
To:
Mark
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Date:
Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:00:03 -0500
Subject:
Re: [idm] post glitch
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<C43266E6-0701-4E40-9771-B1ED62C0FE19@uchicago.edu>
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Thanks. Gesualdo is surprisingly useful as an example of, well, everything in musical thought. Quite the nutjob, that fellow. Anyway, I could definitely see Cage as performing "glitch" in some of his work, although I'm sure he would've used different terminology. In a sense, a lot of his work performs the breakdown of the concept of music entirely. Luis Chi-ton On Sep 5, 2005, at 3:14 AM, Mark wrote:
quoted 114 lines I for sure never thought that I would see the name Carlo Gesualdo> I for sure never thought that I would see the name Carlo Gesualdo > mentioned on the idml. Very good analysis also. I especially like > that in your breakdown "glitch" isn't relegated into the category > of "computer music". It illustrates that glitch really is just > "the valorization of art objects that display/perform their own > breakdown." Would Cage be glitch then also (when he's not > performing organica), his prepared piano was essentially a series > of intentional mistakes, that was used to "seek out and prioritize > moments of technological failure." Will there ever again be a > musical form that is truly new? > Mark > also in Chi-tilla > > On Saturday, September 3, 2005, at 05:31 PM, Luis-Manuel Garcia > wrote: > > >> Erm, John Cage? >> >> Anyway, here's my $0.02: >> >> We might benefit from separating glitch into a few interlocking >> aspects: practice, aesthetic and interpretation. >> Thus, >> >> Practice: the use of technological failures and (sometimes) >> unintentional mistakes for productive/creative purposes. >> >> Aesthetic: the valorization of art objects that display/perform >> their own breakdown. >> >> Interpretation: an approach to art objects that seeks out and >> prioritizes moments of technological failure. >> >> With a multi-part definition like this, you can adapt it to fit a >> wider range of styles as "glitch" in some way. For example, you >> could argue that mannerist madrigal composer Carlo Gesualdo >> (1561-1613) produced "glitch" in that his music pushed his modal/ >> tonal systems to the point of breakdown. >> >> Can you tell I'm studying for my comprehensives? >> >> LMG >> Chi-town. >> >> On Sep 3, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Lee Stacey wrote: >> >> >>> >>> I'm sure the next big thing will be "Organica" (assuming some >>> student >>> paper hasn't coined the phrase already). This is performed live by >>> nature its self and is only performed and never recorded. >>> >>> I'm telling you, it's already everywhere but it's always flown >>> below the >>> radar of pop culture. >>> >>> <>< Pilchard <>< >>> Tunes by Pilchard: >>> http://pilchard.org/ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sven [mailto:ml.sven@subscience.de] >>> Sent: 02 September 2005 18:13 >>> To: lee@codeaudio.com; idm@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch >>> >>> At 18:11 02.09.2005, Lee Stacey wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies >>>> (sorry if >>>> there were some, I must have missed them). >>>> >>>> >>> >>> i've missed it intentionally because thinking of developement of >>> music styles as >>> linear processes is deprecated and you didn't tell what you mean by >>> glitch. >>> the 1920's dadaist performances using defective gramophone players? >>> the 1930's performances by john cage using radios? >>> the 1950's distorted electric guitars? >>> but you want an answer anyway, right? >>> ok - the next big thing (but don't tell your friends) is >>> "scramblism". >>> >>> sven. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> > >
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