Seriously Jeff, BIG THANKS for being a voice of
reason.
always enjoy hearing your thoughts on this subject.
chris/scarcelight
--- Jeff/Ninja Tune <jeff@ninjatune.net> wrote:
quoted 202 lines Seriously...
> Seriously...
>
> That's the most retarded and ill-informed piece of
> writing I've ever
> seen about all this.
>
> -your average well selling indie artist makes more
> then "pennies" per
> sale (try about $1.00-$2.00, plus mechanicals).
> -by not buying not only are you not supporting, but
> you're also
> contributing to unsold stock, decreased record store
> budgets (thereby
> not encouraging stores to take chances), and many
> many other things.
> -people have bills to pay. Do you all do your day
> jobs for the
> "recognition"...."I feel I'm a great web programmer,
> and I'm so happy
> to be recognized as such that I don't care if I can
> actually make a
> living from what I like doing. I just sit around all
> day masturbating
> in the glow of all the recognition I get"
> -keeping your publishing is a myth. By all means
> keep it if you're
> actually going to do something with it, but I
> challenge any of you to
> get an ad agency or film producer or music
> supervisor to actually take
> your phone calls or open your package without
> someone who knows what
> they're doing in charge of it. And have fun dealing
> with all the
> performing rights societies around the world making
> sure you're getting
> the money you're owed...oh what's that... you did
> all that but now you
> don't have any time to make music anywhere...maybe
> get some friends to
> help you out... maybe put out some records by your
> other friends while
> you're at it... shit wait you've started a label...
> man when did you
> become such a greedy corporate fuck?
> -indie tours rarely make money. By all means buy
> shirts and CD's and
> whatever at the show but realize that the money
> generated there is
> contributing to the artists losing a bit less on the
> tour then they
> thought they would.
> >
>
> > Besides, most of us who open source share are only
> stealing in the
> > sense of Robin Hood and not in the sense of Enron
> or Bank of America.
>
> Really you've actually politicized the act of
> on-line music sharing and
> given yourself some Robin Hood complex? What are you
> giving downloads
> to the poor. Yeah, real radical. There's wars going
> on. Get a fucking
> life idiot.
>
> Stop taking myths and calculations done on a major
> label/massive artist
> scale and then presenting them as fact as the way it
> works on an indie
> level.
>
> Stop watching MTV cribs. It's not how it is.
>
> Look I've got no problem with file sharing that
> encourages
> growth/recognition of an artist, but if there's no
> contribution at some
> level then it shuts down the supply eventually. Or
> worse, forces people
> to have to look for underwriting for their projects.
> By all means
> download every Aphex Twin song and don't pay for it,
> but don't bitch
> and moan if his next record is sponsored by Pepsi so
> that's he able to
> actually go about doing what he does.
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On 24-Aug-05, at 5:38 AM, patrick haenelt wrote:
>
> > I think that this is a very good subject to be
> debating. I have a
> > love-hate feeling about recorded music. On one
> hand it is great to be
> > able to purchace a copy of an artist's music that
> you love, but at the
> > same time this medium tends to quantify the worth
> of a particular
> > artist. Alot of times unit sales of a particular
> release is completely
> > based on the distribution contract that the band
> or producer has and
> > alot of times has little to do with the quality of
> music that is being
> > marketed. I love buying records, but I find myself
> wondering why it is
> > that I even have access to a record recorded by
> someoone in
> > Barcelona,New York,Berlin, or Hamburg. or if there
> are other artists
> > that deserve my purchace that I don't even know
> about, but lack a
> > decent distribution contract. I am leaning towards
> liking the concept
> > of hard copy recordings becoming an outdated
> concept and shifting
> > toward an online/digital medium of distributing
> music. At least it
> > gets closer to leveling the playing field....
> >
> > "avianwayfilms@juno.com" <avianwayfilms@juno.com>
> wrote: Why you
> > shouldn't worry (ethically)(and why you should -
> because as we know
> > crimes against property are the worst according to
> those who "own"
> > everything)
> >
> > Where does the money from the selling of music go?
> >
> > The "artist" usually gets fractions of a cent for
> the use of their
> > music - radio play, mechanicals (retail
> purchased), use in
> > soundtracks, etc.
> > This amounts to very little money in reality, even
> for a popular
> > artist with
> > lots of airplay - like Metallica for instance...
> To share their music
> > will take fractions of a penny from them over the
> course of a year.
> >
> > Of the rest of the money (better than 99 percent
> usually) most goes to
> > the
> > record company and some little goes to the owner
> of the publishing
> > rights for
> > the artist's music (who is often not the artist -
> a company owned by
> > Michael
> > Jackson owns a lot of the publishing rights to
> many Beatle's songs -
> > the owners of the rights to much music are
> usually, surprise!
> > subsidiaries and holding companies of - the record
> companies!)
> >
> > Most artists will only make money by performing,
> because the returns
> > are often greater than the costs. If an artist has
> their own
> > production company and can control the costs and
> the profits of
> > touring themselves, rather than the way it
> typically is with a record
> > company footing the bill and then charging the
> artist for it later),
> > they can make OK money if they can play at the
> right sized venues on
> > their tours.
> >
> > Artists can also make money with merchandise -
> T-shirts and CDs, etc
> > sold at shows - I urge you to buy direct from the
> artist as much as
> > possible, especially at shows.
> >
> > Artists should not sell their publishing rights to
> anyone.
> > If they keep their rights, and they reserve the
> rights to other uses
> > in their
> > recording (slavery) contracts, they can
> theoretically sell the song in
> > a
> > secondary market - like for a film soundtrack or a
> commercial, etc. A
> > musician
> > is not usually allowed to do this until they have
> a lot of clout
> > (sales) because
> > the record companies are not inclined to let a
> penny slip by unpinched.
>
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