Oooh!
Perhaps someone on the list knows the answer to this - it's related to this
debate, I feel. What was the name of the philosopher/egghead/clever bloke
who said (to paraphrase) that "all music is just a way of expressing power
over sound". i.e., musical virtuosity is a parallel to having power,
whether it be political power (over people) or intellectual superiority.
Hmmm... somehow this takes us into David Koresh "frustrated muso" territory!
:-/
Clive
----- Original Message -----
From: "graham miller" <grahammiller@sympatico.ca>
Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [idm] ...another mechanical piece of noise
quoted 15 lines Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote:>
>
> Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote:
>
> > Truth be told, if I wanted something that "develops dramatically in an
> > interesting way" I would listen to Wagner or Beethoven. I'm pretty
> > fond of repetition as a compositional strategy, and I think that the
> > refusal of narrative structure is one of the strongest aspects of
> > electronic dance music in general.
>
> that said, there's narrative structure to something even as overtly
> repetitive as hawtin's concept 1, and especially of something like his
> closer to the edit... we are just talking n terms of scale... i mean some
> pieces unfold over days in both academic experiemtnal music and in cermons
> of several ancient cultures... certainly with electronic music,
especially
quoted 2 lines the DJ aesthetic, a metapiece can unfold over the course of an entire> the DJ aesthetic, a metapiece can unfold over the course of an entire
> night... i find that many instances, the talent of the DJ is linked more
to
quoted 14 lines this idea of narrative than technical skills per se.> this idea of narrative than technical skills per se.
>
> as far as musical repetition influencing narrative film, look at run lola
> run...
>
> >
> >
> > Also, I have trouble imagining the separation between music and
> > technique that you make below. Technique/Expressivity or
> > Complexity/Simplicity might work better for your purposes, although I'm
> > still not entirely sold...
>
> explain more. i look at technique as purely athletic. the physical aspect
> of executing a musical idea without 'error' on an instrument. obviously
the
quoted 1 line concept of 'error' is a loaded one. but then again the word technique> concept of 'error' is a loaded one. but then again the word technique
could
quoted 7 lines also be used as a synonym for the the word 'method,' in which in this case>
> also be used as a synonym for the the word 'method,' in which in this case
> it applies equally to a more cerebral sets of processes executed on any
> instrument... i know i rely on a series of techniques to achieve certain
> sounds... it's not the same knowledge base, it doesn't trigger the same
> brain areas, as repetitive motion does though, what i would call athletic
> training on an instrument... only once repetitive motion (i.e. practice)
is
quoted 5 lines internalized as second nature (it moves from the conscious to the>
> internalized as second nature (it moves from the conscious to the
> unconscious, much like my fingers typing this now) is it freed of the more
> mundane limits of flesh and blood and can it move to toward the more
> creative parts of the brain... automation, computer automation, merely
moves
quoted 4 lines you along the process faster. it accelerates human creativity as well as>
> you along the process faster. it accelerates human creativity as well as
> opening up music to the physically inept:) i mean music notation in
> classical music is exactly this too... the composer doesn;'t have to
become
quoted 2 lines a master in every instrument in the orchestra, they 'automate' the players> a master in every instrument in the orchestra, they 'automate' the players
> through a strict symbolic language called 'notation.' this is why
adherence
quoted 3 lines and conformity are such massive criteria in the classical scene and>
> and conformity are such massive criteria in the classical scene and
> interpretation and improvisation are keep to a minimum... the whole thing
is
quoted 7 lines rationalized like a well-oil machine, every cog in its place... i>
> rationalized like a well-oil machine, every cog in its place... i
>
> anyway, i'm a fucking tangent here and i need a coffee...
>
> digressing graham (sounds like a movie of the week)
>
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