On Nov 3, 2004, at 3:31 AM, J m wrote:
quoted 2 lines What type of apps are you recompiling? Network Utils and disk tools?
> What type of apps are you recompiling? Network Utils and disk tools?
> no?
Eggdrop (IRC bot), various network utilities, GIMP, etc.
quoted 4 lines There are clearly more Shareware and Freeware apps for Windows than
> There are clearly more Shareware and Freeware apps for Windows than
> any other platform out there. Lets see you get that support and choice
> on a Mac. And since linux is now surpassing the Mac on the desktop,
> the amount of Mac development may go down even more.
Actually there's been a huge upsurge in Mac development since OS X came
out. I don't think Linux has surpassed OS X. In fact, I know this to
be untrue. Apple is the largest Unix provider, in fact, surpassing
IBM/AIX, Sun/Solaris and so on.
quoted 3 lines And if your going to bring up quality as an issue regarding the
> And if your going to bring up quality as an issue regarding the
> shareware and freeware apps for windows, then dont mention the Nix
> open source apps because a lot of those are pure crap.
I don't think I'd agree with you. Are you calling Apache (etc.) crap?
quoted 4 lines Dude are you crazy?????
> Dude are you crazy?????
> You think you have to call microsoft for permission to add hardware???
> What are you doing? Seriously....please tell me what your talking
> about...
It's called Windows Product Activation. As someone else pointed out,
it requires motherboard changes OR multiple hardware changes.
quoted 5 lines I've never seen anyone changing their mac cd rom out because if you do
> I've never seen anyone changing their mac cd rom out because if you do
> one thing wrong you void out your warranty and your screwed. Its much
> easier to upgrade a windows box then upgrade a mac No? whats the
> upgrade path for a IMAC...have fun adding more ram or better video or
> a bigger hd.
I upgraded my Power Mac extensively (new dual IDE PCI ATA/133 card, put
in three ATA/133 7200 rpm drives, new videocard, replaced the old
DVD-ROM drive with a Plextor PlexCombo DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive, upgraded
the memory to 1 gigabyte of SDRAM. The only upgrade left is upgrading
the processor itself, which I have the option to do (I could upgrade it
from a 400mhz G3 to well over 1 ghz G4 if I choose). All the upgrades
were industry-standard, off-the-shelf upgrades, too, from name brand
manufacturers and/or commodity parts. Really the only proprietary
thing in Macs these days is the processor/logic board.
What's the upgrade path for any all-in-one computer? Obviously there's
limitations to upgrades... it's the EXACT same thing with laptops, PC
or Mac included. The iMac has other benefits. Gateway, E-Machines and
other manufactures have their own (or have had their own) all-in-one
computers. And guess what, they're not very user upgradeable.
However, the iMac has plenty of slots for RAM. You can add more RAM
and you can upgrade the hard drive (you can also upgrade almost
everything else yourself).
Apple has a policy with the new iMacs that you can
upgrade/replace/service it yourself without voiding the warranty:
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,65510,00.html
Here's a particular gem from said article: "The new iMac is perhaps
the most user-serviceable machine on the market."
quoted 7 lines Lastly, I want to discuss the DRM issue. Someone mentioned they
>> Lastly, I want to discuss the DRM issue. Someone mentioned they
>> disliked Apple's use of DRM. What about having to enter in a serial
>> number when you install Windows XP?
>
> Thats because MS has milllions of people that pirate their software,
> thats for protection, Apple would do it to if they had the customer
> base.
You might be surprised to find out that there's somewhere in the
neighborhood of 30 million Macintosh users worldwide. OS X has around
20 million alone. That's not really an insignificant number. The
difference here is that Apple trusts the user not to copy the OS and
gives them the choice to make back-ups.
quoted 3 lines What about some of apples exploits like websites mounting dmgs and
> What about some of apples exploits like websites mounting dmgs and
> spoofing the kernal out. What about all the numerous buffer overflows
> that have been discussed?
I'm aware of the issues. Do you *really* want me to post all the XP
exploits and flaws here? I see you can google, so can I. I *bet you
everything I own* that I can find several *thousand* links showing how
badly Windows is affected while you're going to only find less than a
dozen or so OS X exploits (I know, because I keep up with security
issues religiously) . Secondly, all the ones you've mentioned are
already patched and have been for a while.
quoted 6 lines And lastly if Apples OS X marketshare ever increases which it will
> And lastly if Apples OS X marketshare ever increases which it will
> never ever do to make a difference, you would have a increase in
> hackers and bored developers finding even more exploits. The more
> people that use a system, more holes will be found. And if more people
> out there used OS X there would be more virus's, spyware, trojans,
> whatever...and you know its true.
pagename=article&contentId=A34978-2003Aug23¬Found=true
http://www.baltimoresun.com/technology/custom/pluggedin/bal-
mac082103,0,7063183.column?coll=bal-business-indepth
http://www.baltimoresun.com/technology/custom/pluggedin/bal-
mac082803,0,439453.column?coll=bal-business-indepth
There's reasons why OS X is more secure out of the box. It's built on
Unix and has thirty+ years worth of security behind it.
It's funny you're trying to play the "Windows is more secure" game,
when I read about Windows exploits/virus attacks *DAILY* and I can go
months without hearing about a security issue with OS X. And even if
there's one, I can rest assured that Apple will release a patch for it
within a day or two. Contrast this to how long it takes Microsoft to
issue patches... some of which are not fixed for months, or ever.
--
Mr. Tangent [the binary police]
www.mrtangent.com
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