quoted 1 line I think most IDM is both rhythmically and harmonically very conventional. It>I think most IDM is both rhythmically and harmonically very conventional. It
just follows the IDM conventions, not, say, pop-conventions.
I agree, but only when i was talking about spin-off bands at the end of the message, and IDM in its current state as a genre. So yes, most of it is within its own conventions, but there had to be some experimental aspect to the music to make it different from everything else in the first place, and to earn the name intelligent dance music it of course was not very conventional. I think we are more or less in agreement, just that I am calling it "unconventional" as opposed to "the IDM conventions." A lot of early autechre/polygon window had some really different sounding structures and rhythms.
quoted 1 line But I'd definately say that drill'n'bass (as well as folktronica) is a>But I'd definately say that drill'n'bass (as well as folktronica) is a
subgenre of IDM. Else you are claiming that classic IDM-albums like Richard
D. James Album and Lunatic Harness (and, yes, lots of Squarepusher's work)
are not IDM at all, which seems infeasible.
Yeah, I've heard people categorize RDJ album and Lunatic Harness as drill 'n' bass, but i dont get the connection. I thought drill 'n' bass was supposed to be super harsh experimental drum 'n' bass... am i missing the big picture here?
quoted 1 line I think most IDM artists aren't really interested in making any>I think most IDM artists aren't really interested in making any
'statements'. I've always viewed IDM as a sort of escapist genre, with no
intentions of making anyone realize anything beyond the music. There is
little of the musique concrete spirit of making pompous manifest and
grandiloquent plans - most IDMers seem more keen in just having fun. IDM is
IMO not the heir of the Cageian spirit.
I really think it can be imo AND experimental AND make a statement. i think the statement inherently is that pop music doesnt have the emotional depth that many of us would like to hear in music, and all i'm really saying is that no one at a brittney spears show is having an epiphany because of the MUSIC, whereas i've had people i've brought to IDM shows say that the music made them realize that other things are possible in life. I think its just that most of the people on this list and our close friends are probably all very aware of living life without following all the rules. And that's what has been inspiring experimental music possibly for all time, and certainly since the invention of electronic musical instruments. Though I do agree that "most IDMers seem more keen in having fun," there is probably a reason why they make IDM and not other music that is equally as fun (although i'm not quite sure what that music would be, which is why i'm on this list). It's possible that
I'm stressing the experimental aspect way too much. I'd be curious to hear what people think...
IS IDM AN EXPERIMENTAL GENRE, OR JUST ANOTHER GENRE OF POPULAR MUSIC? maybe it's just that it represents the same overlapping of "experimental" and "popular" that someone like hendrix represented at feedback-laden concerts to unsuspecting audiences.
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