Your right, there are alot more alcohol related accidents, deaths and crimes
the rave drug related... but the goverment isn't trying to shut down every
bar as compared to raves.
I never said drugs were bad, if someone wants to do them i tihnk they should
be allowed to. It is their own body after all. I'm sure drugs influenced
alot of music, that has been prooven thru out history. My problems with
drugs is public use of them where the goverment sees it and enforces
stricter laws on promoters and venues. Venues are impossible to find where
i live.
As for the 50%, i don't go and count and sample.. it's just a rough guess
from being there in person, seeing the puddles, kids inhaling vix, sucking
on pacifiers and having the drugged up look in their eyes.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Z Moser" <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
To: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [idm] I killed dancing music
quoted 3 lines Over here though we'll get a venue with 2000 kids and i'd say a good 50%
>
>
> >Over here though we'll get a venue with 2000 kids and i'd say a good 50%
of
quoted 1 line them are on drugs and fucked up. Thats just from personal experience in
> >them are on drugs and fucked up. Thats just from personal experience in
my
quoted 7 lines area of the US. It's quite disgusting.
> >area of the US. It's quite disgusting.
>
>
> I always find this a interesting perspective in on a music scene that owes
> at least part of it's inspiration & roots to the condemned drugs, and drug
> users themselves. There are whole genres that are specifically designed to
> be experienced on some sort of drug, and many of the underlying elements
of
quoted 2 lines other genres are at least influenced by the use of drugs or the idea that
> other genres are at least influenced by the use of drugs or the idea that
> the people listening to the music will either be on a certain drug or
would
quoted 8 lines have sometime in there life experienced that drug.
> have sometime in there life experienced that drug.
>
> It is equivalent to someone greatly admiring tie-dye t-shirts, but hating
> that damn pot-smoking acidhead hippy who created it.
>
> Two side notes:
>
> First, I live in america also. Trust me there is allot more alcohol
related
quoted 1 line incidents of violence and deaths in relation to violence and death caused
> incidents of violence and deaths in relation to violence and death caused
by
quoted 1 line rave related drugs. If you don't trust me, just turn on your local news
> rave related drugs. If you don't trust me, just turn on your local news
and
quoted 1 line see how long it take to hear of someone who died in a drunk driving
> see how long it take to hear of someone who died in a drunk driving
related
quoted 5 lines incident, or go to a local bar or club and see tempers flare and fights
> incident, or go to a local bar or club and see tempers flare and fights
> break out once the drinking gets started. Now do the same for rave related
> drugs and see which proverbial hand gets full first. A person on a rave
> related drug is more likely to want to hug you or engage in a intellectual
> conversation. I am not saying that there are not bad effects, just that
they
quoted 5 lines miniscule when compared to the bad effects of legal drugs.
> miniscule when compared to the bad effects of legal drugs.
>
> This leads me to believe that drugs are just a scapegoat to underlying
> reasons why governments want raves shut down. What the true reason is I
> could only speculate. One thing I do know is through out history
governments
quoted 3 lines have never liked large gathering of open minded youngsters.
> have never liked large gathering of open minded youngsters.
>
> Second, I don't like the implication that all drugs are bad, and the
people
quoted 3 lines on them are bad. Who sets these standards. It sounds more like memetic
> on them are bad. Who sets these standards. It sounds more like memetic
> control mechanism. When I first went to raves I was under the impression
> that electronic music was terrible. The only reason I went was to look for
a
quoted 4 lines certain drug that I had been wanting to experiment for the last 5 years
> certain drug that I had been wanting to experiment for the last 5 years
> before hand. Once I took this drug electronic music made allot more sense,
> actually allot of things made a lot more sense, but that is beside the
> point. Today I no longer do drugs. Besides the occasional psychedelic
maybe
quoted 5 lines once or twice a year. I guess I grew out of them. But I didn't grow out of
> once or twice a year. I guess I grew out of them. But I didn't grow out of
> my love for electronic music it becomes wider and deeper everyday. You can
> blame this on those evil drugs.
>
> Lastly, the 50% of the 2000 you mentioned. Is that just a device to prove
a
quoted 13 lines point. Or do you actually do representative sampling when you go to these
> point. Or do you actually do representative sampling when you go to these
> events?
>
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