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From:
Mark Kolmar
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Date:
Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:58:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject:
[idm] crappy MP3 encoding
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One important factor many seem to miss is that MP3 encoders are not equal. The best-sounding are probably LAME and Fraunhofer, and the worst probably Blade and Xing. These all sound different from each other at the same bitrate. They are also not equal to themselves. LAME is an ongoing project -- they are up to v3.93.1. There are several Fraunhofer encoders that do not behave exactly the same either. Plus, LAME and Fraunhofer both have settings to trade off between sound quality and encoding time. Fraunhofer is relatively slow, and LAME relatively fast. In terms of overall character, *very* generally, Fraunhofer can sound artificially crisp, while LAME can soften very crisp or sharp sounds. A web search will locate a few tests people have done, and some test cases that encoders can have trouble with. If you'll forgive a bit of self-promotion: http://www.burningrome.com/music/sounds Most of the MP3s are encoded at 128kbps using one of the Fraunhofer encoders. The choice of 128kbps is for small file size -- quicker download by modem, and less disk space on the shared server where storage is limited. The choice of the Fraunhofer encoder is for acceptable sound at a relatively low bitrate. The tradeoff was longer encoding time. A few days ago, I posted a 76-minute live performance I did for WNUR 89.3 FM Evanston/Chicago in September, 2001. Those MP3s are encoded at 160kbps using LAME 3.93.1 at highest encoding quality (-q0). The files are a reasonable size, encoding was quite fast, and the sound quality is functionally equivalent to the original recording -- especially as compared to the FM radio broadcast. If the idea of "ambient digital brutality" sounds vaguely interesting, please grab the MP3s and enjoy. --Mark
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To: BAlbers@premiereradio.com From: "alan flood" <guile133@hotmail.com> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] ATP (ae) track and crappy MP3 encoding Message-ID: <Law10-F29lrg2nRySLp000078ff@hotmail.com> Speaking of encoding mp3's .......... who the hell encodes at bitrates lower than 192?????? Soulseek and the like are filled with tracks and albums that are encoded at 128 and 160. Pretty moronic if you ask me......even more moronic are the people who download these low quality tracks and actually listen to them. It should be a law that you mujst encode at 192 or higher. I guess some people like listening to there tracks with the bandwith noise <<< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org