so far this talk of pro tools not being right is
utterly wrong. if you want to make cookie cutter
soundscapes, then go for fruity loops or any of the
other sequencers. I use pro tools and Logic, the stuff
i make in pro tools is infinitely more interesting
than my logic output.
the reason for this is that with pro tools, especially
with the new midi support, you have almost a physical
sculpture relationship with the audio. you import
audio tracks and use the plugins to shape them
statically and realtime. you can work quickly and with
extreme accuracy as the windows aren't mine shafts and
the steps from original sample to manipulated sample
are one two three, as opposed to logic which takes
hours of directory saving and such. If you want to
work strictly with midi plugs, then go with logic,
cubase, fruity, etc.... the trackers are nice but i
don't care for the work flow.(i use mac and pc) if you
have tons of external gear(ie: not software plugs)
then experiment with each. Logic is tight, cubase is
just logic with different clothing, and fruity loops,
while i like for simplicity, is a bit less dynamic
than i like. I haven't too much experience with fl,
but trying to put sounds a microsecond from the rather
static slots you are given is a matter of delays and
such, too much bs, when with logic you can just drag
the sample/midi dot to wherever you like.with clock
accuracy.
anyway, best is to experiment for 'at least' a week
with whatever bit of software you are considering, or
have access to. fuck the faqs and tutorials, you'll
learn much more by experimenting. Unless of course you
need to sound just like so and so. in which case id
recommend you search yourself and ask why you're
conducting artistic enterprise in the first place...
--- Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
quoted 136 lines Protools isn't the best thing for IDMish
> Protools isn't the best thing for IDMish
> production. If you're
> recording a jazzband with a dozen mics
> simultaneously, and want to layer
> effects and everything in the mix, Protool's is for
> you.
>
> Don't the school computers have more than one kind
> of sequencer?
>
> Over where I'm at, (Chico State) we have our choice
> between ProTools,
> DigiPerformer, and Logic. I recommend Logic of the
> three. Personally I
> use Cubase, which with a good sampler (I use
> Battery), and effects
> (Reaktor), can make some crazy chh kkk brrbbr chhk
> music. Very nice.
>
> If you don't have money, I'd go the tracker rout,
> and get Buzz. Buzz is
> way less stable than its low cost competitor Fruity
> Loops, but it's
> completely free, has hundreds of synths and effects
> available for it,
> and its compatible with VST, and DX plugins. With
> additions to Buzz
> that allow you to do 24bit wavout recording, it's a
> very nice
> alternative. While its interface takes some getting
> used to (especially
> if you're used to the standard sequencer interface
> found in Logic,
> Cubase and the like) once you get it, it's quite
> efficient. And there's
> a great grunalar synth for it now. And don't feel
> bad for using buzz,
> many IDM aritists use it, most recently Jega, who's
> next album is
> rumored to have been written in Buzz (Mike P
> mentioned it on the Mu
> board months ago).
>
> Anyways, beat programming is relatively easy in
> both, but it's nice to
> have good samples. find a drumloop cut it up, and
> rearrange it. have
> the kick play 16th notes, change the pitch of the
> drums, add fx to
> miniscule parts. you can start to mimic vsnares in
> seconds, if you know
> where certain drum hits should go. and time
> signature fuckery is
> intuitive in both Cubase and Buzz. Enjoy.
>
> -mark
>
> Colin Leipelt wrote:
>
> >ok, so i looked for a faq, no luck. i know how
> much
> >this question can get on people's nerves from many
> >moons spent on the early days of the dj shadow list
> >and its elitist invite only offshoot (woo.). but
> >it's been a while, and i need some help. do people
> >know, or can you direct me to a site on, much about
> >beat production. i have access to computer
> stations
> >at new school univ. in nyc, which have midi
> keyboards,
> >protools, finale, and a sampler/sound production
> >thingamabob. i guess my question is, how the fuck
> >do you do anything with protools? my guess is that
> >it's post-production software, yes? any
> suggestions
> >on the sound origination part of things, etc.?
> sorry,
> >i know this is really wide open, just getting
> started.
> >
> >anyone in nyc? anyone go to the warp tour last
> >night? my broke ass cant even eat right now,
> >definitely didnt have 18 bucks to go see dj's i've
> >seen before. going to see m.sayyid from anti-pop on
> >friday. see beans walking around my neighborhood
> all
> >the time, he's amiable enough. what's the idm take
> on
> >the new beans album? my take: it's a pale shadow
> >compared to his live performance.
> >
> >
> >anyone familiar with broklyn beats label? picked
> up
> >a few releases, bottleskup flenkenkenmike (1-speed
> >bike) "looks like velvet, smells like pee",
> >erion/criterion, and a sampler. erion is the best,
> >the sampler not far behind. the erion release has
> a
> >track with samples of coverage of the 91(?)
> invasion
> >of iraq, eerie stuff right now, complete with bomb
> >sounds. saw hrvatski not long ago, good stuff.
> >sampling thumb piano, processing it through his
> >laptop. played with a guy named i:sound, his
> dreads
> >were shaped rather odd, i couldnt figure it out
> until
> >he put his headphones on, his dreads had formed
> around
> >his headphones from what is probably an ungodly
> amount
> >of time spent with them on his head.
> >
> >ok, any suggestions appreciated.
> >
> >colin.
> >
> >
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