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From:
Joel Fever
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Brett Dietsch ,
Date:
Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:08:41 -0800 (PST)
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Re: [idm] stop this war ( & music)
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Be thankful you can utter the word "anti-american" another selfish, ungrateful person who reminds me that we are free. -Joel John von Seggern <johnvon@digitalcutuplounge.com> wrote:Joel Fever wrote:
quoted 2 lines Everyone is right, and everyone who has opposing views is wrong.>Everyone is right, and everyone who has opposing views is wrong. >
For more on this, see this week's Onion http://www.theonion.com/onion3911/pt_the_war_on_iraq.html : Point-Counterpoint: The War On Iraq Point-Counterpoint: The War On Iraq Op Ed Photo *By Nathan Eckert* George W. Bush may think that a war against Iraq is the solution to our problems, but the reality is, it will only serve to create far more. This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan the flames of hatred even higher. It will not end the threat of weapons of mass destruction; it will make possible their further proliferation. And it will not lay the groundwork for the flourishing of democracy throughout the Mideast; it will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e. U.S.) influence. If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S. and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin Ladens will bloom. And what exactly is our endgame here? Do we really believe that we can install Gen. Tommy Franks as the ruler of Iraq? Is our arrogance and hubris so great that we actually believe that a U.S. provisional military regime will be welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people? Democracy cannot possibly thrive under coercion. To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy. And it is doomed to fail. A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated disaster. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism By Bob Sheffer *By Bob Sheffer* No it won't. It just won't. None of that will happen. You're getting worked up over nothing. Everything is going to be fine. So just relax, okay? You're really overreacting. "This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan the flames of hatred even higher"? It won't. "It will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e. U.S.) influence"? Not really. "A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated disaster"? Sorry, no, I disagree. "To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy"? You are completely wrong. Trust me, it's all going to work out perfect. Nothing bad is going to happen. It's all under control. Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there's trouble looming, and I really don't sense that right now. We're in control of this situation, and we know what we're doing. So stop being so pessimistic. Look, you've been proven wrong, so stop talking. You've had your say already. Be quiet, okay? Everything's fine. You're wrong.
quoted 145 lines ???? huh???> > > > >>>>???? huh??? >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>your ability to "wonder" as you say it... is a freedom that came with the price of >>>blood. >>>> >>>> >-Joel > Brett Dietsch wrote: >Everyone in the entire world but me and those who agree with me are >misguided and wrong. If you disagree, obviously you're too ignorant to >understand, and should therefore shut the hell up. If your opinions >differ, again, you obviously don't understand the full scope of the >situation in discussion. > >Jesus, people.. Get ahold of yourselves and realize that people will >have different opinions and act differently than yourselves, no matter >how fucking arrogant you are. Instead of saying "BLAH BLAH BY >PRACTICING YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH YOU FUCKED UP TRAFFIC," maybe, just >maybe, present it in a way where you might actually learn something. >Maybe ask why they thought it was justified, or what drove them to do >whatever they did. > >Or, fuck diplomacy. Bomb them. > >Everyone is right, and everyone who has opposing views is wrong. And >some of us truly wonder why everyone wants to kill everyone else. > >On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Joel Fever wrote: > > > >>so were you the ungrateful fuck that blocked emergency vehicles from >>reaching trauma centers??? >>oh yeah you are the noble one... >>man do SOMETHING like volunteer at a hospital... >>-Joel >> >> >> >>William Samuels wrote:I agree with you Ricard, >>and I assure you I'm doing my >>part. I protested outside of the CNN building last >>saturday in Hollywood and at the Oscars the following >>day. >> >>Luckily CNN is next to Amoeba, so I got to do some >>record shopping on the way. I picked up the Tube >>Jerk-Shift, Clue To Kalo, and the Six Records Breaks >>Your Heart Again comp while I was there. I'm pretty >>happy with all of the releases >> >> >>Unfortunally Big Business & Right Wing Talk shows are >>mobilizing Pro-war rallies. Bastards you all ready >>have the one-sided stations liek CNN & Fox >>cheerleading with ex-military turned reports. How >>objective can they be? >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/25/opinion/25KRUG.html >> >>_____________________________ >>Also check out Salon and the Guardian and Daniel >>Ellsberg's site (his weblogs are interesting) >> >>Daniel Ellsberg use to work for RAND Corporation and >>the Pentagon during the Vietnam era. Very interesting >>guy. >>http://www.ellsberg.net/weblog/1_27_03.htm >> >> >>--- ricard perell? wrote: >> >> >>>come on, boys! >>> >>>http://www.michaelmoore.com/ >>> >>>http://www.amnesty.org/ >>>http://web.amnesty.org/pages/irq-210303-action-eng >>> >>>http://www.indymedia.org >>> >>>http://act.greenpeace.org/ams/e?a=476&s=blue2s >>> >>>and take some action!!! >>>ric >>> >>> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >>http://platinum.yahoo.com >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >>DJ Joel Fever Dancehall Reggae/Hard Step Jungle >>[Ruffneck Playaz Crew-DC,3 Decker Sound- MA,Satalite >>Sound-MA,Neverending Echo - MA] >>March 28th Elements Party Methuen,MA >>March 29th Afterhours for Buju Banton and Wayne Wonder @ Club Marque >>April 11th Joel Fever opening for Sean Paul @Palladium (redd foxx & >>mr. easy) >>MIXES FOUND @ http://www.neverending-echo.com/audio.htm >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >DJ Joel Fever Dancehall Reggae/Hard Step Jungle >[Ruffneck Playaz Crew-DC,3 Decker Sound- MA,Satalite Sound-MA,Neverending Echo - MA] >March 28th Elements Party Methuen,MA >March 29th Afterhours for Buju Banton and Wayne Wonder @ Club Marque >April 11th Joel Fever opening for Sean Paul @Palladium (redd foxx & mr. easy) >MIXES FOUND @ http://www.neverending-echo.com/audio.htm > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > >
-- John von Seggern producer - DJ - researcher email bio home school DJ Joel Fever Dancehall Reggae/Hard Step Jungle [Ruffneck Playaz Crew-DC,3 Decker Sound- MA,Satalite Sound-MA,Neverending Echo - MA] March 28th Elements Party Methuen,MA March 29th Afterhours for Buju Banton and Wayne Wonder @ Club Marque April 11th Joel Fever opening for Sean Paul @Palladium (redd foxx & mr. easy) MIXES FOUND @ http://www.neverending-echo.com/audio.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!