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Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:02:42 -0600
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Re: [idm] warez your krack? [was indie ethics]
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i pay for the software i use. a stewart wrote:
quoted 100 lines all right kids, lets beat this fucker to death and steer the piracy thread> all right kids, lets beat this fucker to death and steer the piracy thread > in the next obvious direction with a fun little excursive in self > reflection. > > assuming a number of you idm contributors are, like yours-truly, a musician > of the electronic genre, lets step back from the pirated music quandary and > ask ourselves if the tools we computer musicians are using are legit copies. > > it has become commonplace for musicians to approach me unashamedly - EVEN > PROUDLY at robotspeak with tech questions regarding an arsenal of pirated > warez. I understand that a music software's usefulness as a creative tool, > unlike a guitar, sousaphone or accordion, is not self-evident. and > trying-before-buying is where kracks excel. im not about to tell a newbie > musician to shell out 700 bones for a copy of logic sight unseen, and at > times i've recommended against it. BUT 2 years later when they've > comfortably reached smug logic power user status with their krack rack of > virtual synths, its not any easy thing- to settle a moral score and buy a > legit copy. > > Some of the bleeding edge companies - native instruments being the poster > child - are apparently just a tick from bleeding to death because of this > krackage pestilence, which begs the chicken - egg question: are apps > expensive because software companies are money-grubbing capitalists who want > to price-out their target consumer, or are software companies forced to > raise prices on apps to keep their company running and to pay their staff of > incredibly talented, hardworking', and CREATIVE software engineers? > > further, how can they claim ownership over lines of code- its all ones and > zeros, eh? ;] > > ------------ > > by the way, we are doing 2 free clinics this saturday. prop reason @ 1:00, > ableton live @ 3:00, so if you can't figure out your krack because you got > no manual, come on down and get yerself some learn'in! > > ;) > lots of love and chocolate covered unicorns for all, > aln > > -- > alan_stewart > robotspeak > alan@robotspeak.com > 415_554_1977 > > On 3/12/03 9:34 AM, "nethed" <nethed@ninjatune.net> wrote: > > > In the US, look at the links I just posted. > > In the UK, have a look at the MCPS/PRS website. > > There is substantial case law that has clearly defined and drawn > > the line as to what a sample is. > > > > Copyrights and Copywrongs: The Rise of Intellectual Property and how > > It Threatens Creativity > > Siva Vaidhyanathan > > > > Suggesting another book to buy before speaking without knowledge. > > > > Sorry guys, but I went to harvard last summer and studied internet law > > and spend my spare waking hours studying about these things and possible > > solutions/alternatives - i thought this list had more 'intelligent' > > people on it... perhaps they're just lurking waiting for the storm to > > die down. > > > > If anyone wants to know how Copyright and the Music Industry works in > > the UK, I suggest checking out > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic - go to the contracts section written > > by a lawyer. ask their experts a question and read the info on the site > > about copyright and sampling. you might learn something today. > > > > excuse if this sounds patronising and cynical -- i'll go back to lurking > > > > nH > > > > > > At 12:19 pm -0500 12/3/03, pixilated wrote: > >> You only have to pay for samples because of the existing structure of > >> copyrights. Anyway, who are you to decide what "sampling" is? All art > >> "samples." I defy you to tell me where to draw the line. The copyright > >> issue in art is about money, not creativity, as someone "sampling" your > >> work does nothing to impede your own creation of art. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:12 PM > >> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > >> Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics > >> > >> We can debate all day on the merits of sampling, but it can start with > >> the fact that you have no idea as to what samples we've cleared/paided > >> for. It can end with the fact that sampling is an art form which > >> re-arranges pre-existing work into new context and pieces of work. It's > >> a big difference and two very different arguments. > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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