Heres a quandry - I am willing to bet half of the people bitching about
people pirating MP3's and arguing over privacy/copyright laws have
pirated copies of all their music-making software. ; )
-daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: a stewart [mailto:alan@robotspeak.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:25 PM
To: idm@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [idm] warez your krack? [was indie ethics]
all right kids, lets beat this fucker to death and steer the piracy
thread in the next obvious direction with a fun little excursive in self
reflection.
assuming a number of you idm contributors are, like yours-truly, a
musician of the electronic genre, lets step back from the pirated music
quandary and ask ourselves if the tools we computer musicians are using
are legit copies.
it has become commonplace for musicians to approach me unashamedly -
EVEN PROUDLY at robotspeak with tech questions regarding an arsenal of
pirated warez. I understand that a music software's usefulness as a
creative tool, unlike a guitar, sousaphone or accordion, is not
self-evident. and trying-before-buying is where kracks excel. im not
about to tell a newbie musician to shell out 700 bones for a copy of
logic sight unseen, and at times i've recommended against it. BUT 2
years later when they've comfortably reached smug logic power user
status with their krack rack of virtual synths, its not any easy thing-
to settle a moral score and buy a legit copy.
Some of the bleeding edge companies - native instruments being the
poster child - are apparently just a tick from bleeding to death because
of this krackage pestilence, which begs the chicken - egg question: are
apps expensive because software companies are money-grubbing capitalists
who want to price-out their target consumer, or are software companies
forced to raise prices on apps to keep their company running and to pay
their staff of incredibly talented, hardworking', and CREATIVE software
engineers?
further, how can they claim ownership over lines of code- its all ones
and zeros, eh? ;]
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by the way, we are doing 2 free clinics this saturday. prop reason @
1:00, ableton live @ 3:00, so if you can't figure out your krack because
you got no manual, come on down and get yerself some learn'in!
;)
lots of love and chocolate covered unicorns for all,
aln
--
alan_stewart
robotspeak
alan@robotspeak.com
415_554_1977
On 3/12/03 9:34 AM, "nethed" <nethed@ninjatune.net> wrote:
quoted 11 lines In the US, look at the links I just posted.
> In the US, look at the links I just posted.
> In the UK, have a look at the MCPS/PRS website.
> There is substantial case law that has clearly defined and drawn the
> line as to what a sample is.
>
> Copyrights and Copywrongs: The Rise of Intellectual Property and how
> It Threatens Creativity Siva Vaidhyanathan
>
> Suggesting another book to buy before speaking without knowledge.
>
> Sorry guys, but I went to harvard last summer and studied internet lawquoted 21 lines and spend my spare waking hours studying about these things and
> and spend my spare waking hours studying about these things and
> possible solutions/alternatives - i thought this list had more
> 'intelligent' people on it... perhaps they're just lurking waiting
> for the storm to die down.
>
> If anyone wants to know how Copyright and the Music Industry works in
> the UK, I suggest checking out
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic - go to the contracts section
> written by a lawyer. ask their experts a question and read the info
> on the site about copyright and sampling. you might learn something
> today.
>
> excuse if this sounds patronising and cynical -- i'll go back to
> lurking
>
> nH
>
>
> At 12:19 pm -0500 12/3/03, pixilated wrote:
>> You only have to pay for samples because of the existing structure ofquoted 1 line copyrights. Anyway, who are you to decide what "sampling" is? All art
>> copyrights. Anyway, who are you to decide what "sampling" is? All artquoted 16 lines "samples." I defy you to tell me where to draw the line. The
>> "samples." I defy you to tell me where to draw the line. The
>> copyright issue in art is about money, not creativity, as someone
>> "sampling" your work does nothing to impede your own creation of art.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:12 PM
>> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
>>
>> We can debate all day on the merits of sampling, but it can start
>> with the fact that you have no idea as to what samples we've
>> cleared/paided for. It can end with the fact that sampling is an art
>> form which re-arranges pre-existing work into new context and pieces
>> of work. It's a big difference and two very different arguments.
>>
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