To explain further I think the distinct response some are shocked by, or
annoyed by, is to the over exaggerated hype of radiohead's significance.
This over-exaggerated state is due in part to the consolidation of major
label driven music and its effect on our culture/s, as there is little
innovation or creative exploration within that group due to demands for
profit above near-all else-- resulting in something like radiohead which
trivially adds in glitch for an aesthetic come across to many
conventional types as oh-soooo significant. its not. the hype is not
warranted is what most of us are trying to say. (and as capoiiee sort of
admits below).
and part of the tone of resentment, that seems to be disproportionate to
the status of the group (as capoiiee also sort of admits below), is
perhaps due to the fact that many of us are sick and tired of the actual
innovators, actual creators, and actual contributers not getting credit
for their activity. and perhaps that is why we protest so much about
such claims or comments lacking in much thought that legitimize the
'alternative' and mainstream press and major label claims of grandeur,
when so many artists outside that system by choice or neglect ought to
get the props.
so, to add further, the 'hyping of radiohead' is to electronica,
as al jolson is to jazz
as elvis is to rock [and you know what chuck d said!]
as 'british invasion' is to blues
(I say 'hyping of...' above since radiohead isn't even on the level of
those in my comparisons, but the hyping of them would lead one to think
so as is the case in these corporate controlled and increasingly
mono-cultural-media times, or so it seems.)
additionally, to say that radiohead can "play their instruments and
utilize music theory" is again repeating the same types of specious
arguments that have supported previous thefts of credit where credit is
actually due, not to mention using erroneous assumptions of what is and
is not superior in culture.
imho,
dan
quoted 31 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message-----
> From: CAPOIIEE@aol.com [mailto:CAPOIIEE@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:35 PM
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: [idm] the topic of discussion
>
> > Unless they're [radiohead]
> > >saying stuff like "if you like this, try this autechre cd!"
>
> actually they are, they've mentioned warp in a few interviews
> if i recall
>
> personally ive listened to radiohead for years and ive
> listend to autechre
> for the same ammount of time, and i must say that i've been
> very pleased with
> recent radiohead output.
> the idm community has been ragging on radiohead ever since
> kid a. its as
> though they were nine inch nails to industrial or eminem to
> hip hop. which is
> bullshit, because radiohead has never even been categorized
> as "idm" anyhow.
> imo, they have done one of the best jobs combining idmish
> music with rock,
> ever. plus they actually know how to play their instruments
> and utilize music
> theory, which is more than most of our idm heroes can say.
> (i think timbaland has come much closer to making idm mainstream than
> radiohead will ever do...)
>
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