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From:
Brandon Smith
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Date:
Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:10:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
Re: [idm] music thievery (it is long - if you don't care, don't read...)
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[I decided not to send this one to the list....for obvious reasons. It may seem written in places as though it is speaking to everyone, but I decided to just respond to you. I love this topic and the length is getting a bit absurd. ;) ]
quoted 4 lines P2p a tool. It is not an intrinsic good or evil.> >P2p a tool. It is not an intrinsic good or evil. > > Nobody said it was. > ---------
Actually the above was a....thesis, if you will. ;) A statement not refuting anyone in particular. I used it to simply warm up my primary point - it takes an understanding of the motivations behind downloading before one can write them off as freeloaders.
quoted 9 lines I would tell anyone that I downloaded their music.> >I would tell anyone that I downloaded their music. > >Small or large artist alike.. If they have a > problem > >with it, I certainly can think of greater > misfortunes. > > How glib. So much for giving a rip about what anyone > else thinks. > --------
I'm writing a fairly involved post on the subject. Of course I care about what everyone else thinks of the subject...except people who keep saying "NOT THIS SUBJECT AGAIN!" Christ, I don't read about 75% of the idm list either, but I happen to be interested in this topic and have not seriously explored it before on this list. (See, Donna S.'s previous post for additional instruction.) If you want I'll drive to your town and hit the fucking delete button for you. Anyway, I write this in the *context of idm* as the community has somewhat different standards from the major labels, and the sharing of music could have a different meaning for us. Actually indy music in general. I do not care, as stated at the end of my initial post, what the artist would feel about me personally prior to understanding my motivations *for* downloading. I refer to the person who posted "Who would be stupid enough to tell someone they downloaded someone's album?" I would.
quoted 7 lines That's fine. But some people (as is obvious from the> That's fine. But some people (as is obvious from the > post to which we both > allude) who make music do not feel that way. > All I am suggesting is that it's a bit selfish to > write how they feel off > as if it's insignificant - in fact, I'm not > suggesting it...I'm stating it.
Okay, so sould we make a list of people who care and people who do not care? The reason I think many people who do voice this opinion are simply being realistic - it is not going to go away, so I might as well seek something positive and appeal to my fan's sense of fairness. This, as opposed to saying nothing. I notice, and this of course is mere speculation, that most semi-major to major artists avoid this topic all together because there is no essential good/bad to it. It is just how it is used. The only time I will "write off" an artists opinion is when I learn that their opinion involves a blanket generalization of file sharers as wicked people - those who would judge simply by the statement "I downloaded your album" period. Not why it was downloaded, or how it was dealt with after listening to it. They have this right to feel this way of course, but it is not at all practical in our culture. Don't miss his point
quoted 5 lines though; if the IDM> though; if the IDM > community (and I use the term loosely) dips from the > well until it's dry, > they only have themselves to blame when there's a > drought.
Certainly there is potential that many many parties involved will lose capital over the abuses we write of, and that would be very unfortunate. The whole argument of the well drying up, though? I can think of few who sequence with dollar signs in their eyes to begin with. Perhaps I only speak for myself, but I write music for music's sake as first priority. I'm no Nautilis, but I'm proud of what I do. If I can raise capitol from it, great, but as far as I'm concerned this is not the motivation behind a good bit of music out there. I would send cdrs out to anyone asking me for one, for no profit whatever. Postage, etc. Just as long as they tell me what they think. It is not good that the industry will hurt to some degree, but the idea of a "well drying up" is just impossible for me to fathom. If I did profit it would be nice to offset my cost of production, but I don't use a studio for anything. I just have a good bit invested in home equipment. Some of my favorite releases have been done in bedrooms across the world. People shouldn't have to resort to this technique, and they deserve a return on their investments, studio or home alike - this is just simply the reality of why the well will never really "dry up" as it may in terms of pop music - music explicitly for profit.
quoted 9 lines And don't miss my point. Other people - who make the> And don't miss my point. Other people - who make the > music and have a right > to feel infringed upon IF indeed they do - see > things differently...and I > would argue that as the artists in question (re: the > person who posted), > probably have more warrant in feeling what they feel > about it than those > who "don't give a shit" what anybody else thinks.
We have an equal stake in the methods of understanding what we are to invest in - production and support of that production. The reality (and I stress reality) of file sharing provides an enviornment for anyone, artist and consumer alike, to make value judgements. I do not have to "give a shit" about one's personal opinion of my actions, prior to seeking a positive or negative justification, to maintain an explicit opinion of the subject as a whole. I will concede that there is something unfair about the artist not having a choice to begin with concerning the sharing of their intellectual property. This unfairness, however, is simply not large enough to offset the potential good that file sharing does for me - and many other artists that seem to have a positive outlook on it.
quoted 4 lines Once again, I don't think> Once again, I don't think > the poster was referring to people who download, > like it and then support > the artist. 'Nuff said.
And I agree with that entirely. Thank you for taking the time to respond. Brandon Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org