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On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:52, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
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> You're going to have to have another go at stating your point, because frankly that whole essay is an utter shit-show. Start with that first sentence.
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> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
> honestly, i dunno why you acknowledging your behaviour should be a reason to not question it. that just does not make sense.
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> i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have the whole picture here and it did make me angry that you responded by ridiculing the person that called you out on it - and the fact that you present your behaviour as something everyone should just accept because you acknowledge it.
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> the fact that i’m being blatantly blunt is just an extension of my frustration on your acknowledged ‘effect’, and how it seems to be the same with every person that sticks with private torrent sites even when there’s no actual fan based need for most of them to exist these days. we, the artists, NEED those pennies as the democratisation of music has driven everyone’s overall sales down. If you actually look at the numbers instead of blindly quoting them, you’ll see that the tail we’re all in here is much, much… MUCH longer than ever.
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> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:37, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Then let me be very clear what I am saying: I am not justifying my torrenting, but merely stating the effect of my torrenting. That's essentially a rehash of my first reply to this damn thread.
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>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>> i’m not claiming any moral high ground. i’m saying that argument is illogical, ie. fucking moronic. that’s what i’ve been saying all the time, and why i’m disgusted that you feel like you can make decisions on artists’ sources of income.
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>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:32, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> No that's all fine and good Juho. You can't claim the moral high ground as an individual however, which you very blatantly have been doing for the past several replies.
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>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> yeah uh I dunno why it’s an issue that I’ve used a torrent site in the past when the point I was pretty clearly making is that if someone thinks torrenting is superior than giving an artist a few pennies, that someone is a fucking idiot. i have never ever said that. i probably know more than connor or jon how today all the fucking pennies matter.
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>>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 00:28, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> > Hasn't everyone had this conversation before? Everyone pirates music. That doesn't make it any less cool and disrespectful towards the artists we pirate. Perhaps the music industry will evolve to a point where this isn't such an issue in the future.
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>>> > On 10/22/2014 10:18 AM, Juho Hietala wrote:
>>> >> yep, this was years ago before there was spotify or other viable means to listen to stuff. i’m not denying it. but did you also notice i’ve uploaded several of my own albums to these sites?
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>>> >> when you’re done lolling you can still consider the point i made to you a few emails ago.
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>>> >> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:15, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> >>> LOLLLLL *breathes deeply* LOL
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>>> >>> Remember how I was saying in my first post, the people yelling the loudest about how awful piracy is and how it should NEVER be done are usually the ones doing it to their own benefit? And how Juho called more than a few people "disgusting" for admitting to downloading a couple albums?
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>>> >>> Well, here's a screenshot of some of the copyrighted albums Juho has torrented. I count around 115 total, and that's before he got banned. Nice job! - http://i.imgur.com/rYQAqaf.png
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>>> >>> So, Juho, anything else you'd like to be hilariously hypocritical about? Or is this one of those things that's only OK when you do it, but awful when we do?
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>>> >>> On 10/21/2014 7:08 PM, Juho Hietala wrote:
>>> >>>> well, to be honest, i think the joke’s on you here..
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