Why is this bollocks topic still going on??? Perhaps the list moderator has
resorted to watching paint dry and found it so much more interesting he /
she aint coming back!
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From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com>
To: "Matt Jarsky" <studio@cheapo.cc>
Cc: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:21 AM
Subject: RE: [idm] "gay idm"
quoted 5 lines At 04:56 PM 2/27/2002 -0400, Matt Jarsky wrote:> At 04:56 PM 2/27/2002 -0400, Matt Jarsky wrote:
> >Satire or not, you hold the list hostage with your flame-bait.
> >
> >One of the qualities of satire is that it is extreme. Credible on some
> >level, yes, but extreme and perhaps incredible on others. Swift's "A
Modest
quoted 1 line Proposal" proposed a reasonable argument for eating the poor. His tone> >Proposal" proposed a reasonable argument for eating the poor. His tone
was
quoted 2 lines matter of fact and many people were outraged. However the fact that his> >matter of fact and many people were outraged. However the fact that his
> >solution to the problem of the poor should offend any human is the clue
that
quoted 1 line the whole thing is a sham, a satire. Your views, unfortunately, are not> >the whole thing is a sham, a satire. Your views, unfortunately, are not
that
quoted 3 lines extreme. The view you expressed is probably in line with the beliefs of a> >extreme. The view you expressed is probably in line with the beliefs of a
> >good number of folks. How are we to know what your angle is? Of course
> >people who know you will get the joke, but most of don't know you. So
people
quoted 10 lines must be forgiven for thinking your lame ass joke is the real deal.> >must be forgiven for thinking your lame ass joke is the real deal.
>
> True; the problem with most satire is that there are nearly always people
> who believe it to be fact. Even in your example of poor people, although
> the majority would immediately become outraged, there are numerous "upper
> class" who believe all poor people should either be killed off, or do
> housework for them.
>
> One of the alternative purposes of satire, besides humor, is to motivate
> action, or at least persuade people to consider the situation. It's been
a
quoted 2 lines long-standing "joke" on the IDM list where the only reason females become> long-standing "joke" on the IDM list where the only reason females become
> interested in IDM is because a more music-savvy boyfriend turned them on
to
quoted 3 lines it. It's also a common misconception among male chauvinists and other> it. It's also a common misconception among male chauvinists and other
> breeds of sexist "pigdogs" that women only serve one purpose -- to make
> babies and look good. Hopefully this is not popular opinion on this list
:D
quoted 2 lines Rather, if anything, a post such as mine should encourage people to>
> Rather, if anything, a post such as mine should encourage people to
believe
quoted 6 lines "hey, women can do anything they wish; they aren't limited by gender or> "hey, women can do anything they wish; they aren't limited by gender or
> mental prowess or anything." I'm sure any "flames" I would receive would
> recant something to that effect, putting more people in agreement over the
> situation. Which was my purpose all along (and, to people such as myself,
> it is the utmost in extreme social commentary. If you don't think it's
> extreme, perhaps you yourself should reconsider your stance on gender
roles
quoted 14 lines in society).> in society).
>
> derek
>
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