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From:
Adam Piontek
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Date:
Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
[idm] IDM going down the tubes (was Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv)
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Is it time again already for this discussion? The "where's all the good stuff?" discussion? "It's all too [noisy, wanky, DSP'd, simple, difficult, melodic, beaty, smooth, crunchy, whatever you hate] lately; where's all the good stuff I used to like?" 1) There is no "new IDM vs. old IDM". There are numerous artists doing a broad range of styles. 1b) There *are* more artists and a broader range of styles now than there have been in the past. This is a good thing. 2) If you don't like what you're listening to, turn it off. 3) If you prefer what you were listening to previously, go back to it. Enjoy it. You went through the effort of obtaining it, didn't you? 4) If you absolutely must have new music, try out new stuff. Don't expect to like everything. 4a) If you try out artists X, Y, and Z, and none of them appeal to you, don't assume that you've tried out every artist and therefore know everything, and definitely don't start complaining that "all this new IDM is so [_____]; what happened to the good stuff?" 4b) Maybe ask the list for suggestions. Say what you liked before, what you don't like now; you're bound to get some good pointers. Again, keep in mind that you won't like everything, nor will every suggestion be a good one *for you*. 5) Are Telefon Tel Aviv really IDM? What is IDM anyway? 5b) Don't you even dare to ask the list the question posed in #5 above, ask it of yourself. 6) If you're going to complain about the "sad state of IDM today" or some such nonsense, don't conclude your message with a statement like "i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv..." Obviously you know a current artist that you do like, and all you wanted to do was express distaste and negativity towards another current artist that you don't like. 6b) In other words, if you're enjoying some music, and other people are enjoying different music, and you don't like the music that other people are enjoying, it's very childish and pathetic to try to turn the situation into a pissing match over whose favorite artists are "better." (As if such a thing were even possible...) -Adam (who has violate most, if not all, of these points at one time or another in the past, but learned from his mistakes ;) --- nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 16 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to> i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to > get erked by the IDM i've > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. > where is the passion?! > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > i came into this music through early aphex and > mu-ziq. that shit rocks like > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems > way way too glossy and > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim > ignorance of every niche of > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me > what there is... > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
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