quoted 8 lines -----Original Message-----
> -----Original Message-----
> From: St ranger [mailto:pleaseinputusername@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:37 AM
>
> The main point of my e-mail was just to point out the
> 'critical' nature of most listeners at the moment, I'm
> just a new subscriber to hyperreal and none of my
> comments were particularly directed at yourself.
I didn't take them as such, but I was responding as someone who's been
critical of Go Plastic lately - here and briefly on WarpComm when I visited
a week ago or so...
quoted 8 lines I may be an idealist, but definately not an elitist
> I may be an idealist, but definately not an elitist
> as I beleive that as long as artists are staying true
> to themselves, as in not churning out any old big beat
> dross to please the masses, then all the "chin
> strokers" out there should not go 'too far' and label
> the artists work with single word comments such as
> "yawn", and maybe have a more reasoned approach, very
> like yourself actually.
That's funny, because I believe *I* said "Go Plastic - Yawn" at WarpComm.
But that was just to provoke people.
I also think the whole stereotype of "chin strokers" is ludicrous. It's one
of those empty labelling phrases that makes the person saying it feel better
about themselves at the expense of diminishing the humanity and legitimacy
of the "other" which you are labelling (which doesn't really exist as a
group anyways). Sorry to pick on you for using this phrase, but people use
the "chin stroking" label/descriptor all the time on this list, and it
really bugs me, so I'm finally saying something about it. I thought it was
funny the first time that I read it, but the truth is that A) it doesn't
help anything, it just serves to further separate this already fragile
community, and B) what kind of music do "chin-strokers" really listen to
anyways? I might think it's Kid 606 and Vladislav Delay, someone else might
think it's Squarepusher and Autechre, and a third person might think of
Broadcast or something.
Again, not really a personal attack against you, just against the pointless,
hitler-esque phrase of "chin-strokers." Let's have more positivity, people!
(did moi just say that?)
quoted 6 lines My point regarding not listening to the music if you
> My point regarding not listening to the music if you
> are bored with it is not elitist in the slightest,
> it's more a plea to all those out there to be a little
> more positive, and why spend 20 mins or so rubbishing
> someones work when you can find something you like and
> write about that instead.
True, just bashing music on first listen or whatever is kind of worthless,
but there's nothing wrong with being critical - one of my least favorite
phrases in existence is "it's all good" because everything is most
definitely not good. The difficulty is when you listen to something a
couple of times and you just *know* there's *something* wrong with it,
something you don't like, and you want to put it into words, but you can't.
So you write into your favorite forum hoping to find at least one like mind
who might agree with you and say it better than you could. Only to get
flamed for "not being positive"
Which is not what you did, so I'm sorry for flaming you for "not being
negative" (or whatever) but, hey, that's what I'm a bastard for!
:D
-Adam "damek is aphex" Piontek
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