On 21/05/01 20:03, Digital Cutup Lounge said in living color:
quoted 12 lines Guillaume Grenier wrote:> Guillaume Grenier wrote:
>
>>> Autechre (just using them as an example) are relevant to our contemporary
>>> situation in a way that Beethoven isn't...at least that's my opinion.
>>
>> I'd be truly interested in hearing you develop that opinion, if
>> possible.
>> (No sarcasm whatsoever is intended.)
>
> I think the McLuhan quotes in my other email address this...his point is
> that new media function as extensions of man, extensions of our sense
> organs, and that such extensions change the way we think.
No argument here.
quoted 2 lines I know the way I think has been thoroughly reconfigured by my encounter> I know the way I think has been thoroughly reconfigured by my encounter
> with the Net, how about you?
I would tend to say so, yes.
quoted 9 lines Some writers in cultural studies theorize the human/computer interface> Some writers in cultural studies theorize the human/computer interface
> as a cyborg system already -- when I work on music, for example, I am so
> comfortable with using Digital Performer that it has become like an
> extension of my brain. I conceptualize about how to work with the music
> using terms and concepts from the software.
>
> I think many of us already relate to the Internet this way -- it's like
> a giant memory extension that anyone can tap into if they know how.
> Almost feels like having a bionic brain sometimes...
Two nice examples of the concepts expressed in the first paragraph of your
message.
quoted 2 lines Autechre's music is tracing out stories of how to live in such a world> Autechre's music is tracing out stories of how to live in such a world
> and deal with such experiences. Beethoven's is not.
1. It's the second time you refer to music as something that instructs us on
"how to live" and "deal with experiences". I must admit this intrigues me a
bit... I wonder how the music would do such things... "Hi kids! This is Sock
Puppet Autechre, and today he's going to tell you why cool kids say NO to
drugs!" Joking aside, this concept is truly foreign to me. But, of course,
music serves widely different purposes for each of us (and those purposes
vary greatly depending on the circumstances in which we listen to it, the
very music we choose to hear/play, etc., etc., blah, blah...) SO what can I
say...? Only that music does not fulfill such a "didactic" role in my case.
2. OK, now a reminder: we're trying to establish objectively how Autechre's
music is more relevant to today's listeners than Beethoven's.
So what needs to be done in order to establish objectively that Autechre's
music is more relevant to today's listeners than Beethovens? First, we'd
need some way to calculate relevancy. But, wait, how do we do that? Gosh,
could it be possible that universal relevancy is a quality that can't be
measured, that can't be applied to music as it can be applied to, say,
medical procedures on a patient who suffered a heart attack.
I don't think that "Autechre's music is tracing out stories of how to live
in such a world and deal with such experiences. Beethoven's is not." is an
irrefutable proof of Autechre's music's contemporary relevance. I'd say it's
a characterization of how Autechre's music has a deeper impact on John von
Seggern than Beethoven's.
quoted 4 lines This doesn't mean that Beethoven's music is totally without relevance --> This doesn't mean that Beethoven's music is totally without relevance --
> some aspects of human experience do seem to be timeless.
> But he doesn't speak to our contemporary situation in the same way as
> Autechre.
To retain the original matter at discussion, "the same way" should be
replaced by a "as relevantly" (if that word even exists...).
What I object to is the word "our" (in the revised sentence).
g.
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Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca
in space there is no north in space there is no south
in space there is no east in space there is no west
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