funny that hundreds of years later everyone still says its ugly and yet its
still used all over
heh
humans!
Clint Anderson
Systems Engineer
"Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com>
wrote:
quoted 248 lines Hey Guys,
> Hey Guys,
>
> Funny you refer to this color Clint, I just finished Black - The History
> of a Color
> <https://www.amazon.fr/Black-History-Color-Michel-Pastoureau/dp/069113930X> by
> this french academic, Michel Pastoureau, whose work is dedicated to the
> social history of colors, symbols and heraldic in the Middle Ages. This
> color is literally named 'goose poop' in french (caca d'oie). He mentioned
> in the book that this color was very trendy to wear in France around the
> last weeks of 1751, and that it was called 'dolphin poop' (caca dauphin),
> in honor of the dolphin (first born and heir to the king), despite the fact
> that it was perceived as the ugliest through the Middle Ages. Funny cover
> art... :)
>
> B.
>
> 2016-10-04 20:04 GMT+02:00 Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>:
>
>> also this lol
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/jun/08/stylewatch-
>> pantone-448c-ugliest-colour-world-opaque-couche-
>> australian-smokers-fashion
>> https://www.amazon.com/Tri-Repetae-Autechre/dp/B000003RHB
>>
>>
>> Clint Anderson
>> Systems Engineer
>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gotcha. And yeah that's right on about autonomous music.
>>>
>>> What's interesting is how listeners perceive "generative" music as being
>>> worthless/effortless (something fairly popular to say about Confeld/Draft
>>> era Ae) due to the labor being hard to perceive in the music itself.
>>>
>>> Same thing re: live performance, a live electronic music act is best
>>> when they "do" the most stuff.
>>>
>>> It's a very 1:1 ratio between labor and value.
>>>
>>> *Expand on this idea until you've reached an undergraduate thesis*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, that's more like it. It's not truly autonomous.
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to re-read that interview.
>>>>
>>>> And I was kidding when I said it was BS. And I kind of agree with Ae
>>>> when the talk about the autonomous aspect. The machines will never truly
>>>> create their own music until they do it from beginning to end free from
>>>> human influence or even human music theory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ah I see what you mean now
>>>>
>>>> - they don't think that period of their music was bullshit (how I read
>>>> it), they just think push against the idea that "generative music" is
>>>> autonomous because it still relies on parameters designed by humans
>>>>
>>>> they might've talked about this in the Resident Advisor interview, at
>>>> work so I can't look it up to confirm
>>>>
>>>> https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/2756
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what do you mean when you say you think "generative music is BS"?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aaaaannd a little more here.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.autechre.info/press/grooves-10.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Still not finding the exact article I was thinking of. Maybe it's me
>>>>> who thinks generative music is BS? :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There's some mention of generative music here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview16.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In an article in The Wire around the release of Confield maybe? I
>>>>> don't remember the exact date. And I may be adding word to theirs BUT the
>>>>> gist of what Sean (I believe it was he) said was that the entire idea of
>>>>> generative music was somewhat BS because it always had a human being at its
>>>>> source setting the parameters and boundaries. Their feeling was/is that
>>>>> there could never be a truly generative music until it was entirely AI
>>>>> created from start to finish.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "which even they said was bullshit mind you"
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did they say this about their generative work?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really didn't like it at first but it's slowly been winning me
>>>>>> over. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/10/2016 3:36 PM, Bruno Gola wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:32 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:sham.beam@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that totally resonates. I was listening to The Age of Adz from
>>>>>>> Sufjan Stevens yesterday in the car and there were a few "fucking
>>>>>>> hell, how
>>>>>>> did he do that?" moments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/10/2016 4:30 AM, Clint Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm
>>>>>>> <http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It's about sleight of hand, where you're revealing things
>>>>>>> and then
>>>>>>> pulling them back. It's that sort of dynamic. But I think
>>>>>>> that's Hip
>>>>>>> Hop: the whole attitude of wanting to do people's heads in a
>>>>>>> little bit
>>>>>>> but also give them something that they'll really appreciate
>>>>>>> comes from
>>>>>>> that - Mantronix to early Bomb Squad --- where there were
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> tricks
>>>>>>> in there, and you knew the producer had stuck them in there
>>>>>>> because he
>>>>>>> knew it would do people's heads in. And it'd be like: fucking
>>>>>>> hell, how
>>>>>>> did he do that? Or, that's a totally mad thing to do with
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>> But it didn't suffer because it wasn't. . ." Rob: "Wasn't a
>>>>>>> showcase for
>>>>>>> those ideas." Sean: "It was part of the flow and it worked.
>>>>>>> That's it
>>>>>>> really. That's how we've started describing it now."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I think a lot of people, when they're constructing complex
>>>>>>> music, have
>>>>>>> this idea that for something maddeningly complex to change
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> something else that's maddeningly complex you've got to do it
>>>>>>> suddenly,"
>>>>>>> says Sean. "But there are millions of ways you can do it,
>>>>>>> because you
>>>>>>> can have your entire track changing piece by piece as it
>>>>>>> rotates, and
>>>>>>> that's what we're into We like things like a puzzle where
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> revealing
>>>>>>> itself and changing. And you can almost follow it, because it
>>>>>>> works the
>>>>>>> same pace as your brain works. The trick is not to get it to
>>>>>>> work faster
>>>>>>> or slower, but to get it in tune with yourself. And obviously
>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>> some people who work faster than that, and they'll hear it
>>>>>>> and think
>>>>>>> this is boring, and there are people who work slower than
>>>>>>> that, and
>>>>>>> they'll think this is too much. For us it's the right pace."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Clint Anderson
>>>>>>> <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yeah its interesting i would almost say its a return to
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> classic style of the 'eternally unfolding secret tricks'
>>>>>>> tracks they
>>>>>>> used to do where halfway through you finally sort of
>>>>>>> more or
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>> figured out what they were doing to get whatever
>>>>>>> effect/sound, and
>>>>>>> then the second half was just that much more badass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sham Beam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bruno Gola <brunogola@gmail.com <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> http://bgo.la/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sham Beam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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