quoted 25 lines --- Myroslaw Bytz <vzaem@humbledesign.com> wrote:
> --- Myroslaw Bytz <vzaem@humbledesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > thanks for the discussion, by the way, i had a good
> > time, and had my mind
> > opened a bit more to the tiny complexities that are
> > a part of the
> > discussion.
>
> Uh-uh. I'm not going to let you be all mature and
> back out - this ain't over! :P
>
> Because I have one more very important thought:
>
> "Art" is a real thing. It's not just a term you can
> deny. It seems like people think there are all these
> different kinds of creative expression, and then
> there's this subset called "art." That's just not
> quite true.
>
> Human expression is divisible into two types: the
> things we do for survival, and everything else. The
> "everything else" is art. The survival stuff is
> farming, math, engineering, whatever you do to insure
> your share of the food, shelter, and bit o' tail you
> need.
i need to create to ensure my survival. how many times have you heard about
this or that artist committing suicide? my "art" comes from necessity.
quoted 3 lines Just because you don't like your creativity being
> Just because you don't like your creativity being
> called art does not mean it is not art. It is. Get
> over it.
no it isn't. get over it.
quoted 9 lines The other guy got it right - what seems to be
> The other guy got it right - what seems to be
> bothering you is the way some people behave towards
> art. The putting it up on a pedestal or on a wall.
> If that's not your thing, that's fine, but some people
> like it. Sometimes it's nice to take a prolonged look
> at something and try to see different things in it.
> Sometimes it's nice to try to create something that
> will impart a message. Art on walls (or on stages or
> screens or on CDs) is sometimes like a little puzzle.
political art. yay.
quoted 12 lines On the other hand, I was walking to the library today
> On the other hand, I was walking to the library today
> and saw that a museum here in the city is having a big
> ol' display of folk art. Something rubbed me wrong
> about that: folk art, particularly the stuff from
> long-dead cultures, is kind of like an archeological
> artifact. It wasn't meant to be put into a museum; it
> meant something immediate and cultural to the people
> who made it. Particularly if it's a religious
> talisman (for example) and you believe that without it
> your god is going to deny you water from the skies.
> That falls under "expression for survival" and was
> therefore not art at the time.
then you would agree that the art we have today is all just vanity if it's
not for survival?
We all do what we do for our own
quoted 1 line reasons, and only we know if we've failed ourselves.
> reasons, and only we know if we've failed ourselves.
true that.
vzaem
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