quoted 6 lines As for hip-hop, I almost agreed with you there, but
> As for hip-hop, I almost agreed with you there, but
> here's the error in your logic: You're assuming that
> hip-hop was not art to begin with, and that some
> people were pushing for it to be called art. This is
> incorrect. It *was* art, but it was not *recognized*
> as art.
i see what youre saying. from their point of view, it was always art, and
not recognized as such. i can get with that, but i'm still left with a
basic denial of the term, on which i have no problem agreeing to disagree.
quoted 12 lines Pushing for underground art forms to be
> Pushing for underground art forms to be
> recognized is an age old battle. Just because it
> isn't recognized as "art" by the old curmugeons
> doesn't mean it isn't art - that's the whole point of
> trying to get it recognized. It was art all along, it
> just wasn't recognized by the establishment. Does it
> matter? That depends on what you think is important.
> If culture is important to someone, they're going to
> want the establishment to change because an
> establishment view that denies the validity of
> someone's expression basically denies the worth of
> that someone.
here's where you and i agree. i'm saying that it would have all probably
been accepted forms of expression had it not been for the word "art" and the
connotations and assumptions associated with it.
quoted 8 lines So, what does it prove? It proves that hip-hop isn't
> So, what does it prove? It proves that hip-hop isn't
> just some idiots in a city somewhere playing with
> turntables and a microphone. It recognizes that there
> is something more there for human beings.
>
> Whether or not *that* is true is, I suppose,
> questionable, and also whether or not it makes any
> difference.
it doesn't.
quoted 8 lines My own opinion is that if you want to create, just
> My own opinion is that if you want to create, just
> create, and stop fucking around with worrying about
> what others think about what you're doing. Just do
> it. Think of the time you wasted writing to this list
> when you could have been doing something more
> productive! Most of the people I admire in life don't
> sit around all day discussing the merits of their work
> - they just do the work.
i do create. i'm not worrying about what others think of my work, which is
different than what i can say for many popular artists. i think that this
was productive, since i am interested in what others have to say about it.
this was not wasted time in my opinion, just another form of creativity
being expressed. :)
thanks for the discussion, by the way, i had a good time, and had my mind
opened a bit more to the tiny complexities that are a part of the
discussion.
vzaem
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