fine. but by the same token, all your "roots" have *their* roots in other
and older musics. Musics like funk, disco, jazz, blues, jubilee, ragtime,
gospel, irish-american folk, eastern european, klezmer, classical,
renaissance, drum musics, et cetera. if you're going to go for the roots, go
to this stuff. but even so, not a great many musics are "copies" or "copies
of copies." They're mostly simply influenced by other things (granted, some
more obviously than others). even the "black music" of the us is not all
that much more, historically speaking, than a fusing of other influences
with their own. Just as "jewish" music takes on whatever style is dominant
in whichever locality the jewish musicians happen to find themselves,
"black" music in america fused with irish folk ballads to form the blues.
so just because you love "black music" and it's "white offshoots" and
derivatives does not mean that even you aren't just copying a copy of a copy
of a copy of a copy......
vzaem
www.ampcast.com/vzaem
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SHADETEk Records [mailto:shadetek@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:37 PM
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: [idm] timbaland et al. (warning: flame bait)
>
>
> >Or conversly, what does Timbaland listen too?
> >
> >He has to have this-listy taste! For godsakes, if "get yer freak on"
> wasn't
> >Missy, we'd all be getting dead excited. In an olde skool stylee.
>
> I think one thing to keep in mind here is that Timbaland is pretty firmly
> rooted in the black music culture of the US which I know this will incite
> flames but is undoubtably an influence on the work of virtually any idm
> artists using beats. Timbaland is an innovator in the style of
> Southern R&B
> which is influenced heavily by the tick tick bump sound of miami
> bass where
> the action is all in high hats and kicks (like a lot of IDM I
> find) and the
> snare is pretty unimportant (808 snare anyone?). Timbaland is I think
> taking this to a logical next step, step outside of the idm world
> for a sec
> and you will learn that there is a lot of complex shit going on
> in the pop
> world. The whole synth sound is the dominant sound in commercial black US
> dance music (hip hop/r&b) on the radio (in the states) these days because
> they got tired of paying for samples and it has been running in
> the southern
> us for a long while, which is where most of the production innovation is
> coming to new york from these days, following in the wake of bass and all
> that stuff. Not to start another interminable AE thread but when they
> recently went to Miami they spent their time going to flea markets and
> digging for bass mix tapes. I am really getting my ramble on
> here but it's
> something I like to remind people who are trying to copy innovators, you
> have to go to the source, don't copy the copy. If you want to understand
> autechre's 808 style electroey tracks you need to listen to some OG real
> electro and bass and then make your own extrapolation from there, if you
> dont want to sound 100% derivative. I love a lot of black music
> as well as
> it's many white hybrids and offshoots (AE, Co.Flow, Ed Rush &
> Optical etc)
> and find that many of the kids trying to copy this stuff get too
> far diluted
> from the source because they are unaware of the roots. I apologize in
> advance for any excess flame traffic this post may create but
> hey, someone
> had to say it.
>
> peace,
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