Hey Peter.
I knew i would get bashed before i started these topics on this board and
others.
People get so defensive with these topics. I have started this discussion
on numerous boards for the simple fact to let people know that these DSP
systems are available, are not as tough to learn as most think, are not as
expensive as most think, and what they do. So many electronic musicians do
not even know of this way of creating sound and music. They are still
buying synths that are preset and not "open ended" It is not to put down
what everyone is using, that we could do on the IDM making board. :)
I only like IDM music. I have heard many types of music in my 25 years, and
IDM is the most interesting to me. I think alot of others feel this way, on
this list or not. But I do know lots of people like other types of music.
I want to know why others are still into certain genres of music and why.
My views on music are my own, and is obvious it is not shared by many on
this list. I am an individual expressing how I feel. I know people feel
differently, and like to find out why they feel differently.
Topics with lots of contreversy get lots of attention. After reading these
posts, I hope many have visited sites for MAX, DP, Kyma, Pulsar and others,
to learn what is available, and to see how new IDM music is being made. And
what a better place to discuss these issues than on this list.
take it easy.
~swamay~
www.swamay.com
www.mp3.com/swamay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Shultz" <pashultz@Princeton.EDU>
To: <swamay@home.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
quoted 4 lines Hi Swamay and company,> Hi Swamay and company,
> Sorry to butt in, but I really don't think this is a very mature attitude.
> Today's music technology is so sophisticated and rich that hardly anybody
> can really put it to its full use without years of experience. I still
use
quoted 1 line my K2000 (invented in, what, 1990??), and am continually finding new> my K2000 (invented in, what, 1990??), and am continually finding new
sounds
quoted 3 lines and possibilities even on what would be considered today a comparatively> and possibilities even on what would be considered today a comparatively
> primitive machine. At this point, I'm a pretty advanced user, but there's
> really no end to what can be done. Learn your instrument. Take the time
to
quoted 1 line get under the skin of your equipment, and you'll be surprised at what> get under the skin of your equipment, and you'll be surprised at what
you'll
quoted 1 line find. Let's leave the "dedication towards forwarding musical technology"> find. Let's leave the "dedication towards forwarding musical technology"
to
quoted 11 lines the people who actually produce the technology.> the people who actually produce the technology.
> On the other hand, your attitude toward music, as expressed in your posts,
> is totally foreign to me. You seem to be saying that music is only
> interesting to you inasmuch as it presents shiny new sonorities. Look
> deeper! Instead of dismissing anything already done, open up to the
> richness and history of the world around you! A grounding in classical
> music probably won't help you program your Kyma any better, but it almost
> certainly will help you mature in your sense of musical grammar and
> structure. Don't you see? Innovation lies NOT in the gear, but in the
> music!
> And if you don't find the sound of an oboe fresh and exciting, just
pretend
quoted 15 lines somebody programmed it in MAX/MSP.> somebody programmed it in MAX/MSP.
>
> Peter
>
> > > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months,
> > >you're
> > > > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication
> > >towards
> > > > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers
> > or
> > > > samplers.
>
> >We both meant "hardware" synths and samplers. We use DSP or a hybrid of
> >hard/software.
> >using an ASR-10 or a KORG keyboard is a bit overreated. they dont do
much
quoted 8 lines anymore.> >anymore.
> >We make "samplers" or "synths" on the computer now a days.
>
> >>So once the album is over 6 months old its not relevant any more because
> the
> >> technology is "old"!!!
>
> > No an album made in the past 6 months does not get dissed. But using
the
quoted 5 lines "standard" off the shelf gear to make that album does.> >"standard" off the shelf gear to make that album does.
> >Thats what i mean by be an innovator.
> >But course there are those musicians that will always use the same old
> gear,
> >because that is what they are comfortable with, and have no desire to
move
quoted 18 lines forward with new gear. And also dont want to go throught the learning> >forward with new gear. And also dont want to go throught the learning
> >curve.
>
> >I think most musicians have made a rep with the gear they have, and fear
> >rejection if their style changes in the slightest, due to new unfamiliar
> >gear they are using.
>
> >regards..
>
> >~swamay~
> >www.mp3.com/swamay
> >www.swamay.com
>
>
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