i think the biggest problem with this argument about
DJs not being musicians comes down to this:
there are Radio DJs who ramble all day and then play
CDs like their programming director tells them to and
then there are accomplished DJs who are able to take
the medium to a new level.
The DJs who have practiced their "techniques" are able
to take a record of a guy taking a dump on a four
track and scratch it up or mess it up or manipulate it
to sound like something that they, yes the DJ, has
created....
To say that DJ's are not musicians....just is
ignorance.
And to say that DJs that produce are few is a pile of
nonsense....
Most DJs that I know do produce and do release their
own tracks.
Finally
We as humans and intellectuals have reduced ourselves
to the very meanings of words...instead of being
insightful enough to realize that words just can't
encapsulate the magnitude of what performance,
musicianship, art and music truly mean.
Matt Loathing
--- Josh Bown <josh@undertone.com> wrote:
quoted 76 lines ok, well by "raw musical tones" I meant to exclude
> ok, well by "raw musical tones" I meant to exclude
> DJs since they work
> with pre-composed phrases, parts etc... and just
> layer and rearrange
> them rather than working with raw tones as their
> building blocks....
>
> Not that DJs aren't both artists and performers,
> they just aren't by
> default musicians... unless they also happen to play
> an instrument....
>
> For all of you out there who want to call DJs
> musicians, please come up
> with a word that applies only to the types of
> musicians I am trying to
> describe.
>
> I am talking about those people who practiced
> scales, arpeggios, keys,
> modes, etc... and have an understanding of music
> theory etc... and then
> perform live in real time on an instrument utilizing
> that knowledge and
> practice to impress a croud. To me a musician must
> have all of that and
> most DJs don't.
>
> DJs are DISK JOCKEYS... they are like the guy on the
> radio choosing
> selections to fit the mood and playing other
> people's stuff.... How can
> that be confused with being a musician???? Radio
> DJs aren't musicians!
> they're commentators and record collectors... or
> more like interior
> designers except they set a mood in sound... A few
> of them (probably the
> best ones) also compose and play instruments and
> probably spin their own
> compositions and such, but these are the few and the
> proud and the
> brave, and their musicianship comes from these other
> activities, not
> from spinning.....
>
> Philip Sherburne wrote:
> >
> > >Musicians: performers whose expertise is in
> manipulating raw musical
> > >tones in real-time and who combine them to form
> original music by
> > >playing an instrument.
> >
> > Hey, works for me, given that that includes DJs,
> spoon-players,
> > saw-strokers, Stockhausen and Francisco Lopez.
> But I'm guessing that you
> > didn't intend to include those sorts in your
> definition, so you might want
> > to rework it to fit your narrower terms. A few
> subdefinitions you'll need
> > to clarify: "manipulate," "raw musical tones"
> (each of those could be
> > unpacked), "real-time," "original," and
> "instrument." Heck, you should
> > probably spell out "expertise" and "performer"
> while you're at it. But I
> > think your prepositions are sound, and unlike
> Clinton, we all know what the
> > definition of "is" is. Take heart, you've almost
> got it!
> >
> > Philip
>
>
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