Re: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
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ok.... hmmmm.... defensive maybe???
let me try to say this nicely: synths are great, so are effects, but
they also have a kind of gimmiky quality to them.
Yes, there will be more and more experimentation into new forms of music
using synths....
There will also be more and more experimentation using traditional
instruments...
If you were able to go 1000 years into the future, I would be willing to
be that people will still be playing traditional instruments....
also, I can make sounds come out of an acoustic guitar that I can't get
out of any synth....
People, especially the listening audience, will always want to hear
finger squeaks, pick scratches, breath noizes, and other random and
chaotic sounds that add to the reality and emotionality of music made
with real/traditional instruments....
the novelty of psychedelic sci-fi noises coming out of computers is
wearing off, and music that has that as it's sole or primary voice will
remain obscure and as a gimmick.
Music that is based on skilled performance of real instruments,
augmented by various synthetic spice will be what the future of music
has to offer...
Musical skill will always be the product of practice and dedication.
Sound Design is not music... it's hollywod special effects....
music is composition and performance... and if you have a good
composition, it will sound good when performed by a good performer no
matter what instrument they use.
If it is sequenced and relies on quantization, then it will sound boring
to most people and would make a terrible live show...
Again... this is all my opinion.....
swamay wrote:
quoted 76 lines If i hear another guitar, bass, drum set i am going to puke... this music>
> If i hear another guitar, bass, drum set i am going to puke... this music
> has been played to death!! it has ALL been done, every combination of every
> string imaginable has been done. A real instrument! Synths are real
> instruments. computers are real instruments. so is a water bottle.
> insights from nature of music, no thanks, ill take my insight from
> technology and the inspiration of what wonderful sounds we have all NOT
> heard yet. which I guarantee you is not going to come from a "real"
> instrument such as a guitar, bass, drums, horn or whatever "acoustic" or non
> electronic instrument.
>
> I can see oscillator or bits. actually i create them. so can you. :)
> Instead of the string vibrating, i see things on an oscillator. much more
> appealing to a person into IDM music.
>
> ~swamay~
> www.swamay.com
> www.mp3.com/swamay
>
> <<Also, learn to play a real instrument!!! aside from the miraculous
> insights you will gain into the nature of music, fans like to see where
> the sound is coming from, and you can't see oscillators or bits... you
> can see strings vibrating, some one blowing into a flute... fingers
> moving, etc>>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com>
> To: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:42 PM
> Subject: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
>
> > my $0.02
> >
> > First off, I am a guitarist, singer songwriter who has performed in
> > numerous bands etc... and also have a love of IDMish electronic
> > music....
> >
> > Alomst every single IDM show I have seen has been a waste of my time and
> > has bored my ass off, so much so that I am intentionally missing the
> > autechre show here in seattle coming up, because really, I am sure their
> > CDs would sound better anyway....
> >
> > One exception being when I saw Orbital... but then again I was on heavy
> > doses of happy pills....
> >
> > What I would like to see is, and I know the technology exists to do this
> > because I use it in the studio (Logic Audio) is much more improvisation,
> > interactivity etc... The people want to see you play your instrument. If
> > your instrument is a mouse then stay in the studio and forget about
> > touring... At the very least, just have the drum parts be sequenced
> > and actually play the other parts live on a keyboard...
> >
> > If you were to take it to the limit, you could have it so that every
> > minute part of your song could be triggered/untriggered/layered in what
> > ever order you wanted so that you could extend it, break it down in new
> > ways and/or improvise over a little jam section depending on the croud
> > mood.....
> >
> > Also, learn to play a real instrument!!! aside from the miraculous
> > insights you will gain into the nature of music, fans like to see where
> > the sound is coming from, and you can't see oscillators or bits... you
> > can see strings vibrating, some one blowing into a flute... fingers
> > moving, etc....
> >
> > Basically, if you have any real musical skill your live shows will be
> > impressive... twiddling knobs is not musical skill per say...
> > composition is musical skill, twiddling knobs is sound design, but
> > performance is a completely other matter altogether....
> >
> > peace
> >
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