At 08:27 PM 3/29/2001 +0200, you wrote:
quoted 10 lines Not to mention that hip hop is like updated jazz in a> > Not to mention that hip hop is like updated jazz in a
> > way--jazz artists often used popular songs as the basis for
> > reinterpretation and new arrangement (kind of like sampling
> > before the dj).
>
>Most defiantly only in that respect though. Jazz bares almost
>no resemblance to hiphop. Vocals for one thing (besides some spoken
>word poetry stuff, but we don't need to go there). Jazz is fundamentally
>melodic, and in a classical way (i.e. constantly changing, themes rarely
>lasting more than a few bars), although with jazz it's improvised.
I agree - I think I posted a while back (maybe it was on the idm-making
list) that IDM has *much* stronger roots in hip hop, due to the lack of
improvisation. Of course, Solenoid disagreed (since his live show is very
dynamic and has a lot of ability for improvisation), but on the whole, IDM
is pretty solid and has an emphasis on rhythm (as opposed to all melody
with a basic rhythm, like, say, trance). Of course, there are elements of
jazz in both hip-hop and idm, and many other genres, but that's mainly
because jazz has been around longer (MUCH longer)
quoted 1 line Apologies for the rant. I just get upset when people compare jazz & rap.>Apologies for the rant. I just get upset when people compare jazz & rap.
You can rap to jazz. You can rap to anything - it's just the way the
lyrics are "sung"/"spoken." It works best with rhythmic music, which is
why there's a lot more rap in hip-hop than in, say, rock.
cheers,
/derek
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