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jon anderson
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Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:59:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject:
[idm] the "idm" problem
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I'm not sure we're really "stuck" with "idm". i rarely use the term. usually i say edm, for "electronic dance music". it sounds enough like "idm" that people i've never met before sometimes know exactly what i mean. but what i mean by edm includes things like "techno", and is more inclusive than what typically is meant by "idm". if i need to specify ae/afx styled (i.e., "typical" dance oriented idm) music, then i say it. ae/afx type music. if the person has never heard of ae/afx, then i'd rather explain what that means anyway. If i need to describe some other type of "idm", there are plenty of other adjectives in current use as well... glitchy, dancy, mechanical, droney, pretentious, etc. and if i'm talking about non-dance oriented edm, i say "armchair". i prefer being specific to using the ambiguous and arrogant term idm. the only term i never use (except in a derogatory sense) is "experimental". my friend matt mentioned a funny quote by Jim O'Rourke, something like, "i don't like it when people call me "experimental". it seems to suggest that i don't know what i'm doing!" seriously though, "experimental" now refers only to a style, not actual experimentation. language can be very powerful. you might think "it's just an acronym", but in fact, what you know it stands for might shape the way you think about it, and the way you treat others. in addition, it alienates (even offends) other groups of people. not to mention that it's just inaccurate! idm simply is not more intelligent than other types of dance music. i think it's naive to think "idm" is just a harmless word. it implies that other types of dance music are not intelligent, and from my experience, idmers often begin to think this way, without necessarily realizing it. in fact, i seem to remember a thread a long time ago, on this list, when a lot of people were arguing that in fact idm IS more intelligent than techno/hip hop/et al. i think this argument is deeply flawed, but don't want to get into it at all. (maybe search the archives if you're interested.) the ironic thing is that in some ways, idm itself is very simplistic and dumb. (in terms of traditional academic ideas of composition/music theory.) composers (not just avant/20th century/electronic composers) and other music cultures (i.e., non-western) have been developing ideas for centuries that few idm artists seem to be aware of. particularly when it comes to composition. edm has brought brilliant new ideas to the table, to be sure, but many artists seem to lack an awareness of some things... that makes the music kinda simple - which is OK. edm doesn't have to be "about" these things. it's more about contemporary culture, i think. it's something i often love about electronic dance music - it's not all tricky and smart and "universal". it's "pop music", and it's relevant. and most of the time, you can dance to it. or it has a sense of humor. or it's dope. or just sounds really cool. anyway, i don't care if they've started putting up "idm" signs in record shop bins. i don't like the name, so i don't use it. j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org